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Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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Climate change is a hoax to increase taxes. I always hear that we’re so screwed for a million reasons and if we dont act now we go into a “runaway” scenario we cannot recover from. If this is true why have we not already hit this runaway scenario. If we’re already in that state we’d be better of leaning into it and saving resources to deal with the changes. Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with…

If you’re gonna downvote, prove me wrong first !

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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Climate change is a hoax to increase taxes. I always hear that we’re so screwed for a million reasons and if we dont act now we go into a “runaway” scenario we cannot recover from. If this is true why have we not already hit this runaway scenario. If we’re already in that state we’d be better of leaning into it and saving resources to deal with the changes. Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with…

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -HL Mencken

I agree with your sentiment. I often ask people what percentage of the warming is due to CO2 emissions and what percent is due to natural fluctuations. And I struggle to receive an answer. There is nothing about the 20th (or 19th) century that makes it some sort of end all be all yard stick for permanent climate expectations on the planet.

People will usually retort with an admission that the climate is always changing, has always been changing, and will always be changing, but they resort to the argument that the climate "has never changed this quickly". Which is bogus and ignores even relatively recent periods of rapid and consequential climate change as the Medieval Warming Period and the Little Ice Age, both occuring this millennium, which is a blink of an eye on a geological scale.

The alarmism is completely unwarranted and counter productive. If we were to disappear off the planet tomorrow, what would happen? Would the earth continue to warm or would it enter a cooling phase?

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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post #11
post #10

Climate change is a hoax to increase taxes. I always hear that we’re so screwed for a million reasons and if we dont act now we go into a “runaway” scenario we cannot recover from. If this is true why have we not already hit this runaway scenario. If we’re already in that state we’d be better of leaning into it and saving resources to deal with the changes. Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with…

If you’re gonna downvote, prove me wrong first !

If someone tells you the Earth is flat, would you really attempt debating them? Or a very aggressive extreme antivaxer?

There is a level of intellectual honesty necessary on both sides for a debate to be meaningful. When something has been so thoroughly debunked and it is still waived as an argument it is hard to believe that honesty is present.

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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Climate change is a hoax to increase taxes. I always hear that we’re so screwed for a million reasons and if we dont act now we go into a “runaway” scenario we cannot recover from. If this is true why have we not already hit this runaway scenario. If we’re already in that state we’d be better of leaning into it and saving resources to deal with the changes. Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with…

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -HL Mencken I agree with your sentiment. I often ask people what percentage of the warming is due to CO2 emissions and what percent is due to natural fluctuations. And I struggle to receive an answer. There is nothing about the 20th…

There is extensive science answering your question. Most of it is caused by humans and not other factors. If humans disappeared the co2 already in the atmosphere would still cause some warming but not nearly as much as if we continue to emit even more of it.

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -HL Mencken I agree with your sentiment. I often ask people what percentage of the warming is due to CO2 emissions and what percent is due to natural fluctuations. And I struggle to receive an answer. There is nothing about the 20th…

There is extensive science answering your question. Most of it is caused by humans and not other factors. If humans disappeared the co2 already in the atmosphere would still cause some warming but not nearly as much as if we continue to emit even more of it.

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/sc...

Why haven’t you looked to scientists for the answer to your question? I found this in about 10 seconds using google.

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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Climate change is a hoax to increase taxes. I always hear that we’re so screwed for a million reasons and if we dont act now we go into a “runaway” scenario we cannot recover from. If this is true why have we not already hit this runaway scenario. If we’re already in that state we’d be better of leaning into it and saving resources to deal with the changes. Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with…

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -HL Mencken I agree with your sentiment. I often ask people what percentage of the warming is due to CO2 emissions and what percent is due to natural fluctuations. And I struggle to receive an answer. There is nothing about the 20th…

uhm... you mean you are asking for this plot I found with a minute of googling (reputable sources referenced): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_...

Edit: here is a pretty cool interactive version of the plot https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-wo...

Edit 2: To the dead comment below, this is the whole point of "sources", something that actually refers to measurements/models/peer review, which all are fallible on their own, but together are fault-tolerant. Unlike the (rather small) petition you refer to that makes claim without any supporting data.

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re gonna downvote, prove me wrong first !

If someone tells you the Earth is flat, would you really attempt debating them? Or a very aggressive extreme antivaxer? There is a level of intellectual honesty necessary on both sides for a debate to be meaningful. When something has been so thoroughly debunked and it is still waived as an argument it is hard to believe that honesty is present.

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Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -HL Mencken I agree with your sentiment. I often ask people what percentage of the warming is due to CO2 emissions and what percent is due to natural fluctuations. And I struggle to receive an answer. There is nothing about the 20th…

uhm... you mean you are asking for this plot I found with a minute of googling (reputable sources referenced): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_... Edit: here is a pretty cool interactive version of the plot https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-wo... Edit 2: To the dead comment below, this is the whole point of "sources", something that actually refers to measurements/m…

83 Italian scientists recently signed a letter to their government saying that the AGW hypothesis is unproven and largely false.

But you won't see that on Wikipedia or Bloomberg, just pretty pictures with "reputable" sources.

Of course, science is all about consensus, right? That's what John Cook says, anyway, and he's so "skeptical."

Re: Climate crisis, shown directly on power plant, in guerrilla projection

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Climate change is a hoax to increase taxes. I always hear that we’re so screwed for a million reasons and if we dont act now we go into a “runaway” scenario we cannot recover from. If this is true why have we not already hit this runaway scenario. If we’re already in that state we’d be better of leaning into it and saving resources to deal with the changes. Also the earth has natural feedback mechanisms to deal with…

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -HL Mencken I agree with your sentiment. I often ask people what percentage of the warming is due to CO2 emissions and what percent is due to natural fluctuations. And I struggle to receive an answer. There is nothing about the 20th…

Most of the CO2 emissions are natural, but they aren't the main concern. In the Northern hemisphere growing season, atmospheric CO2 declines sharply. In the fall and winter, the leaves fall off of trees and decompose, and that CO2 goes right back into the atmosphere. We don't worry about that CO2 because it's part of a natural cycle that absorbs and emits roughly equal amounts of carbon dioxide.

If you look at an atmospheric CO2 plot over time, you'll notice that it's a sawtooth, for the reasons I just described. However, this sawtooth has an upward slant. That's the part we're worried about, and that's the part that humans are responsible for. We're pulling carbon out of the ground and burning it, and there isn't any natural process to cancel that out on the scale of what we're doing. So far, atmospheric CO2 has gone from about 280 parts per million before the industrial revolution to about 420 or so now. That's a pretty big change, and it's happening faster than ecosystems can adapt to it. It is also having an increasing impact on human life.

Here's something to put the current rate of change into historical context: https://xkcd.com/1732/

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