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Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by soup10 » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:07 AM UTC

59nadir wrote: post #9

I find these languages that are developed behind closed doors and have no source published a bit frustrating. Even more so when they make big promises. Just like you can no longer charge for compiler, I don't think it's possible in the future to not publish the source. The truth is, there are plenty of actual open source alternatives to C (zig, et al.), what makes some shadowy language a reasonable alternative?

99% of new programming languages are "someone thought it would be fun to make a new programming language" with no real effort to make it genuinely useful and good for real world use

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by AndyKelley » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:08 AM UTC

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Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by lifthrasiir » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:12 AM UTC

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

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> He's collecting $927/month on Patreon by deceiving generous and hopeful programmers.

Oh my. This is alarming. I have never thought that the author was already getting that much money out of this incomplete piece of software.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by AndyKelley » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:17 AM UTC

lifthrasiir wrote: post #23

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

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> He's collecting $927/month on Patreon by deceiving generous and hopeful programmers. Oh my. This is alarming. I have never thought that the author was already getting that much money out of this incomplete piece of software.

He's up to 56% of the income I make on Patreon for Zig, and I've been busting my ass for years, working on solving a lot of the same problems, except it's been open source the whole time, and I only ever put claims on ziglang.org that describe actual status quo available software. It's really disheartening that such dishonest tactics are so effective.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by esimov » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:20 AM UTC

I do not want to blame Go, since I'm programming in Go from quite a long time and I love it, but to claim a programming language which is written in Go fast is exaggerated and an outrageous lie. Go could not match the speed of C/C++ so how can be this programming language declared as fast??

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by noncoml » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:20 AM UTC

lifthrasiir wrote: post #23

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

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> He's collecting $927/month on Patreon by deceiving generous and hopeful programmers. Oh my. This is alarming. I have never thought that the author was already getting that much money out of this incomplete piece of software.

I couldn’t see much code in his github so I assume it’s all smoke and mirrors.

How does this even get voted so high here? Just on the claims?

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by scriptsmith » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:22 AM UTC

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

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Yes, I was first interested in his stuff when he announced the perpetually "coming soon" Volt last year. Disregard the dates, deadlines, and promises for this project.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by noncoml » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:22 AM UTC

AndyKelley wrote: post #24

lifthrasiir wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's collecting $927/month on Patreon by deceiving generous and hopeful programmers. Oh my. This is alarming. I have never thought that the author was already getting that much money out of this incomplete piece of software.

He's up to 56% of the income I make on Patreon for Zig, and I've been busting my ass for years, working on solving a lot of the same problems, except it's been open source the whole time, and I only ever put claims on ziglang.org that describe actual status quo available software. It's really disheartening that such dishonest tactics are so effective.

Don’t get disheartened. You are writing actual software. He is a scam artist.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by noncoml » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:23 AM UTC

keyle wrote: post #7

I don't really get excited by new languages but I must say I really like what I'm seeing here going through the docs. This is what I wanted nim to be, but with the safety. The standard library and package manager + packages will make or break V. [edit] ow, not open source yet.

Probably vaporware

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by lifthrasiir » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:25 AM UTC

noncoml wrote: post #26

lifthrasiir wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's collecting $927/month on Patreon by deceiving generous and hopeful programmers. Oh my. This is alarming. I have never thought that the author was already getting that much money out of this incomplete piece of software.

I couldn’t see much code in his github so I assume it’s all smoke and mirrors. How does this even get voted so high here? Just on the claims?

Because the author is simultaneously working on the Volt IM [1] and the language to make Volt? I can't really say about Volt as I haven't used it, but it is enough to establish that some concrete development is in progress. But you can't really sell an incomplete programming language in this way.

[1] https://volt-app.com/