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South Korean students flock to Japan

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Re: South Korean students flock to Japan

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“They have experienced military service and are disciplined,” said an official at a manufacturer in Aichi Prefecture. “They are good to work with, because they respect their superiors and are diligent.”

Similar phenomenon in Silicon Valley with Israeli engineers.

Re: South Korean students flock to Japan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have to admit I am clueless about the history between these two. Why don't they like each other?

Historically, Korea was repeatedly invaded by Japan. More recently, Korea was a Japanese colony between 1910 and 1945, during which the Japanese ruled with an iron fist and did their best to destroy Korean identity by forcing people to take Japanese names etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Japan%E2%80%93Korea...

Which certainly explains why Korea doesn't like Japan, but why does Japan seem to dislike Korea so much?

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Japan invaded the Korean peninsula as well as a sizeable portion of China and enacted horribly cruel war crimes against the citizens of those places. I won't get into details, but this comment would be akin to asking "What's the history between the Germans and Jews? Why don't they like each other?". The primary difference being that Germany had a reckoning with the history of what happened during that time, while the…

Actually, Japan has apologized repeatedly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements... However, Japan has more than its fair share of far-right fruitcakes who deny everything, and in both Korea and China politicians have found Japan to be a convenient whipping boy whenever they need a distraction from domestic problems.

Japan demands the issue to be "settled" or "forgotten" after mulling quick apologies. Imagine Germany demanding that the Holocaust be forgotten.

Re: South Korean students flock to Japan

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, Japan has apologized repeatedly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements... However, Japan has more than its fair share of far-right fruitcakes who deny everything, and in both Korea and China politicians have found Japan to be a convenient whipping boy whenever they need a distraction from domestic problems.

Japan demands the issue to be "settled" or "forgotten" after mulling quick apologies. Imagine Germany demanding that the Holocaust be forgotten.

Japan and South Korea signed an agreement in 1965 that was supposed to settle all financial claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Basic_Relations_betw...

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South Korean here. My anecdata: some of my friends went to Japan for advanced degrees. Most of them came back within a couple of years after their study.

10x or more people around me went to US. The majority of them are still in the country after a few years.

Such tendency was remarkable to me, given the difficulty of learning English and relative ease of learning Japanese by Koreans.

There is one thing I can't understand from the article: it says a low birth rate as a reason of an increase in migration. Why would a low birth rate lead to more migration? I can understand the unemployment rate as a reason, and SK surely has a serious problem of low birth rate.. but that's for new babies...

Re: South Korean students flock to Japan

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“They have experienced military service and are disciplined,” said an official at a manufacturer in Aichi Prefecture. “They are good to work with, because they respect their superiors and are diligent.”

Similar phenomenon in Silicon Valley with Israeli engineers.

I find israelis pleasant to work with, mostly because i think they are smart, and they have a good idea what they are doing. They also want to improve constantly.

Also they speak their mind, no bs. We need more people with this mindset.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically, Korea was repeatedly invaded by Japan. More recently, Korea was a Japanese colony between 1910 and 1945, during which the Japanese ruled with an iron fist and did their best to destroy Korean identity by forcing people to take Japanese names etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Japan%E2%80%93Korea...

Which certainly explains why Korea doesn't like Japan, but why does Japan seem to dislike Korea so much?

Xenophobia and belief in Japanese racial superiority:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihonjinron#Specific_theses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_Japan#Pre-war...

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I don't get the "as birthrate sinks and unemployment climbs". It's not like Japan is doing well there. And Japan is infamous for its incredibly negative attitude towards Koreans...

Both countries have low birthrates, but Japan is far enough along the labor shortage curve that unemployment has been essentially eradicated in Japan. From the friendly article: According to Statistics Korea, the national statistics office, the unemployment rate last year for people aged between 15 and 29 was 9.5 percent, compared with 3.8 percent overall and 3.6 percent for Japanese 15 to 24. Also, Japan has a vocal…

To draw some analogies, Japan has some very conservative people in power, but that's more to do with the election systems that give more power to monolithic parties that attract rural voters. When you look at the proportional vote (Japan has FPTP + a non-reproportioning proportional segment), Japanese people are on average much less conservative than their elected government would make it seem.

Re: South Korean students flock to Japan

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Read the story but they're very short on the data. cited a job fair in Nagoya which had 40 Koreans. Then a Korean job search firm that placed the most people to work in Japan out of any country. Is it just me or is the article short on enough evidence to make this a piece?

Re: South Korean students flock to Japan

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South Korean here. My anecdata: some of my friends went to Japan for advanced degrees. Most of them came back within a couple of years after their study. 10x or more people around me went to US. The majority of them are still in the country after a few years. Such tendency was remarkable to me, given the difficulty of learning English and relative ease of learning Japanese by Koreans. There is one thing I can't under…

Younger people can think about their future too. Anyone should be free to seek better future for him/herself.

Aging society is a big issue.

When i was studing, alot of thought went into "my county has a lot of internal issues that doesnt seem to be solved anytime soon - mby its better to jump the ship before it sinks".

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