Looks like another firm trying to pull an "impossible" - hype up something as lab grown meat, sell veggieburgers.
Impossible is plant based, not lab grown.
Seafood Without the Sea: Will Lab-Grown Fish Hook Consumers?
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#22Indoor fish farming seems like a much more practical approach to solve the problems inherent in catching wild fish to eat (and the pollution that outdoor fish farms cause), and a much more logical next step for seafood than lab-grown muscle tissue. Lab-meat makes most sense for beef, which is an incredibly inefficient and habitat-destroying food source, and is also often served in a processed form anyway, ie as mince…
Many fish (Tuna being a prime example) can't be farmed. There's also a notable decrease in health and nutritional content of farmed fish.
Tuna is not easy to breed, not at all, but can be farmed. I had seen tuna babies born in captivity. The tiny critters are all mouth. Is a long term effort.
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#23I am seriously excited for this to become available to chefs. There is a rampant issue in sushi with fish fraud and this would be a clean and ethical solution.
Why do you think that this would be more ethical than allowing fishes live in the sea?
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#24What is never brought up in the lab grown meat discussion is the potential to mitigate human suffering. Working a fishing boat is hard. Working a poultry plant is hard and psychologically stressful. Lab grown meat could eliminate that for thousands of people.
Lab grown meat could also eliminate jobs for thousands of people. Got any ideas how a 50-something fisherman is supposed to put those lab grown meals on his/her table once their job is gone?
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it's inevitable that quality has to deteriorate. I buy all sorts of manufactured products that are perfectly good; competition in balanced, well-run markets keeps producers in line. And personally, I'm willing to pay extra for lab-grown. I'm sure they'll sell that as a health benefit; it's much easier to avoid contaminants. But for me it's about minimized negative externalities. I don't have to worry th…
You may pay extra, plenty might want the same for less - particularly if it becomes fashionable. We don't really have balanced, well run markets, so competition also produces cheap, profitable eco-catastrophes, either to sell a similar product for less - see US experience of beef farming. Or to turn a once wild-caught luxury food into a mass market everyday food - see almost all salmon farming. No problem - the eco-c…
many global fishing stocks are being critically overexploited, and lab grown fish could help abate it. this is a much more immediate threat to food security than climate change and may be intensified in the future by ocean acidification. i don’t see why a fish lab couldn’t be run in a carbon neutral manner and it’s much better than doing nothing.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/07/fish-stocks-are-used-...
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#26What is never brought up in the lab grown meat discussion is the potential to mitigate human suffering. Working a fishing boat is hard. Working a poultry plant is hard and psychologically stressful. Lab grown meat could eliminate that for thousands of people.
Lab grown meat could also eliminate jobs for thousands of people. Got any ideas how a 50-something fisherman is supposed to put those lab grown meals on his/her table once their job is gone?
No industry is safe from disruption. Governments need robust training programs and social safety nets for late career individuals in all industries in transition.
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#27I have a sinking feeling this kind of synthetic food production is just a bait for health-wary consumers. After reeling in enough customers, lab-grown fish produced for profit will inevitably have to deteriorate in quality to maintain/increase revenue. Can this kind of endeavor scale? Can it be introduced to schools, for example? I'm sure some consumers will swallow the idea hook, line and sinker but I see it as just…
> After reeling in enough customers, lab-grown fish produced for profit will inevitably have to deteriorate in quality to maintain/increase revenue.
Maybe this post is just upvoted for the dad jokes, in which case, Fair Play...
But on the substance, all other food products have to compete on quality. Why this would be different needs to be explained.
Sure, it's always a balance of price and quality. But why would this particular food have a different balance than all other food products?
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#28> BlueNalu is not looking to replace wild-caught or farm-raised seafood, but is aiming to become a third alternative for seafood eaters. Since they are targeting “fish that cannot be easily farmed”, the whiff I get from this idea is akin to synthetic diamonds. This lab grown fish is an alternative to the rare and high-end fish that is harder (and more expensive) to get. This is not a cheap replacement for standard co…
> It would be disingenuous to say this is going to save the oceans.
Because it's only for niche expensive fish?
That's where they have to start when the technology is expensive. If and when it becomes cheaper, we might reach ocean saving levels. Or we might not.
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#29What is never brought up in the lab grown meat discussion is the potential to mitigate human suffering. Working a fishing boat is hard. Working a poultry plant is hard and psychologically stressful. Lab grown meat could eliminate that for thousands of people.
I'm not impressed with academics who think all physical labor is torture.
NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU OR WANT TO BE LIKE YOU!
Sorry for the shouting...
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#30What is never brought up in the lab grown meat discussion is the potential to mitigate human suffering. Working a fishing boat is hard. Working a poultry plant is hard and psychologically stressful. Lab grown meat could eliminate that for thousands of people.
I'm not impressed with academics who think all physical labor is torture. NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU OR WANT TO BE LIKE YOU! Sorry for the shouting...
https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/features/W...
“The ILO is keenly aware that people in the fishing sector often face harsh or difficult working conditions: they may spend long periods at sea and are frequently exposed to unpredictable and dangerous conditions. In a number of countries, the fatality rates for persons in the fishing sector are many times greater than the national average, for example higher than those for fire-fighters or police. These rates may exceed 150 to 180 per 100,000 workers, rivalled only by such other hazardous occupations as forestry and coal mining.”