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Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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This is tangentially related, but I think every person has a tolerance threshold that develops early for life standards. Fitness and money are easiest examples. For some, being fat is disguisting and unimaginable, so they will do everything possible to stay thinner. For some that threshold is having an actual six pack, and once you lose it, you go into emergency "at whatever cost" mode. That's def the case for me wit…

I have the same opinion too! I just rephrase it to myself as - "How desperate are you to do foo/bar?" (foo/bar can be getting rich, working out etc)

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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Follow through and don't use what people do on HN/Reddit/etc. as 100% truth. Allow yourself to take breaks, but just continue exploring and doing. People are always trying to sell themselves and embellish what they do. Plus, in posts, you're only viewing a small window of their lives. You have no idea if they suffer the same problems and just happened to write about completing one thing, ignoring all the failures alo…

This so much, in real life, Im not very productive, but on my reddit account, Ive write so much advice youd think I was some 10x developer, when most of the time Im just sweetening things up.

At work, we have a bunch of accounts that troll on the alt right subreddits, and its a common joke that everyone secretly does the same thing at home.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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This is tangentially related, but I think every person has a tolerance threshold that develops early for life standards. Fitness and money are easiest examples. For some, being fat is disguisting and unimaginable, so they will do everything possible to stay thinner. For some that threshold is having an actual six pack, and once you lose it, you go into emergency "at whatever cost" mode. That's def the case for me wit…

A lot of folks call this setting standards. The standard you set for you self is X, your ego/will/desire/whatever you call it will not let you drop below your standard.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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You need a purpose and a routine. Why do you want to be successful ? What's your definition of success ? Is it something you really want / or is it pushed by friends / social media / internal representation of success ?

> See others succeed, get motivated a bit more

It sounds very dumb but focus on the journey, not on the destination. I got fit when I started to enjoy going to the gym (took 1+ year). I didn't like sport and I had a mental image of what a gym guy was, I couldn't identify to that image. Now I'm 5 years in, go bouldering, running and at the gym every single week, it doesn't feel like success and I still don't identify as a fit/gym guy.

Once it's part of your daily/weekly routine you don't need motivation, you do these things because you're hard wired to. It takes years, but one day you'll wake up and think "damn, I'm fit / good a guitar / glad I sticked to my business idea for the last 5 years / &c."

Also keep in mind that success isn't a fixed point, it's an endless ladder, each step being your next definition of success. You can be successful at many things but if you don't take the time to reflect on them you'll feel like a constant failure.

> I see folks who are disciplined, are ruthless executors, are self-motivated

Do you know them personally or do you trust the internet's success stories ? People like to romanticise their achievements with fancy origin stories, struggles, &c.

A few resources:

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/get-1-better-every-d...

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/building-breaking-ha...

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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I wrote an essay about this topic a couple months ago that you might find applicable https://www.amplenote.com/blog/what_makes_long_term_personal...

The essay describes exactly half of the what has helped me, which is to create processes that make it a little bit easier to procrastinate on long-term goals and then pick them up again later. But the other half, which sounds especially applicable to your situation, is to pick a goal that will continue to be worth pursuing. This is much harder than most people expect.

A few years ago I started a "goal of the month" list with some friends. In January, we picked 12 goals we'd pursue during the year. For the first few months, it was gravy -- everyone completed their goal and had a satisfying summary ("I did this, I learned this") they shared with the group afterwards. But, around the 6th month, the failures began. Between the 9-12th months, our cumulative success rate was lower than 50%. It was mystifying, because everyone had purported to spend hours of time carefully choosing their 12 goals in January.

In my case, I tried to pick easy goals for month 9-12. For November, I picked the goal "bowl a 200" because what could be more fun or easy than going bowling (though I've never bowled above 150, so there was a hill to climb). Still, by the time 11 months passed, there had developed 100 things that were more interesting to me than bowling a 200. I willed myself to go bowling one time that month, and scored 125. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We tweaked the rules for the list the following year so you set 12 months worth of goals, but you could substitute a goal if your original choice was no longer interesting. Again, by the 9th month, everybody was substituting like crazy. The goals list experience taught me that my friends and I are woefully bad at choosing goals that will still be interesting to us 6+ months in the future.

Fast forward to today, and I've been working on Linux touchpad drivers for about two years now (e.g., https://bill.harding.blog/2019/03/25/linux-touchpad-like-a-m...). My "success" on this project has been made possible because I have a good system to allow myself to procrastinate, and because every time I use my Linux laptop, I continue to hate how the touchpad works. I am forced to face that unpleasantness over and over again, with no escape. So in this case, there is a goal that has remained important to me because it involves a part of my life that remains constant, and remains frustrating.

Which is to say, if you can find a problem that is going to continue to eat away at you for years, I think you're barking up the right tree. If your goal is one of whimsy or interest, your best bet is to scope your solution so it can be completed in 6 months or less, because chances are your human interest will be somewhere else past that point.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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Shameless plug - I work on https://everyday.app (simple and beautiful habit tracker for the web/ios/android) and seeing the colourful board filled with 2 years of data is hugely motivating to keep me going and stay on track with the SAME goals.

For example: https://app.everyday.app/2/5 :)

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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You have compassion with yourself when you are inevitably less disciplined. You notice that you need to improve again and you do so without judging yourself.

It also helps to work with or associate yourself with people who exhibit the habits you want in your own behavior.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

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One of the things that gets me is analysis paralysis. When I first started programming (albeit not professionally) most people didn't have the internet, me included. So I had to just write code and figure things out. For a very long time it's how I did things. Now, with blogs, SO, github, etc. I fall into the trap of, "well, I need to do X, so let's see how others have done it." instead of just trusting myself and doing it. I don't know when it started getting worse, but I hate it and I hate myself for allowing it to get bad.

Fighting this is a constant battle. One thing that helps is a deadline. Another is a pomodoro timer. I really wish I could unplug my internet cable for a while each day, but people would freak if I were not easily accessible.

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