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Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by eastWestMath »

dade_ wrote: post #14

And Canada now has zero credibility here. Between a US created diplomatic crisis with China and our Liberal government being exposed by it's on Attorney General, China has been proven right. Our courts are still at the control of our corrupt PMO. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/the-tories-passed-a-m... US/Canada human rights arguments arguments are pretty galling by a NA Aboriginal POV. I think the protester i…

>I think the protester in Tianemen square had more of a chance than the students in Kent State.

There was literally ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more killed at Tianemen square.

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Post by creato »

jake_the_third wrote: post #20
hnmonkey wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're stating that they're being singled out for just doing business and that businesses are just afraid of losing money. You seem to be ignoring the trade secret theft, IP theft, multiple intelligence agencies investigating them and stating that their hardware shouldn't be used, practically being an arm of the Chinese military intelligence, and probably more I'm forgetting. Seems like a very disingenuous argument t…

> multiple intelligence agencies investigating them and stating that their hardware shouldn't be used, practically being an arm of the Chinese military intelligence Has anyone come forward with /any/ hard evidence that implicates huawei spying on their customers? This is my biggest gripe in this whole mess. The fact that no evidence has surfaced yet, despite how easily obtainable it would be for govs, indicates to me…

It seems silly to debate the existence of the possibility that Huawei can spy on their customers or whether it has happened before. They ship binary blob software updates to the hardware routinely, as does any other vendor of this kind of equipment.

The only reasonable question is whether you believe Huawei will exploit this opportunity if asked or "asked" by the Chinese government.

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Post by justicezyx »

analognoise wrote: post #10

I don't think we should buy anything important from China because of their abysmal human rights abuses, surveillance state machinations, hacking and IP theft, down to the way they treat their neighbors (Taiwan, building BS "islands" to claim fishing territory, etc." I think we should isolate and contain them as much as possible, free market BS be damned, we should grow a spine and do without them by working as closel…

Why do you assume that it was China vs. the world, not China and many others vs. US and many others?

I hope you take a clearer look at the current geopolitical map and have a more updated view of the world.

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Post by _iyig »

torgian wrote: post #12
beams_of_light wrote: post #7

I'm not sure which is more dangerous with regard to Huawei - their utter disrespect for intellectual property, or their subservience to a totalitarian government that is in continual digital warfare with the United States. Platitudes directed at the US are exactly that, and should be ignored.

And the States do the same thing. shrug Everyone is spying on eachother and we are not safe from that, despite what is said. I’m more afraid of the NSA having far reaching powers to spy on their own citizens than I am of China hacking into the NSA

If the NSA spies on your text messages as opposed to the CCP, you (and your family) are much less likely to be imprisoned, tortured, or killed on the basis of your religious or political beliefs.

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Post by threeseed »

torgian wrote: post #12
beams_of_light wrote: post #7

I'm not sure which is more dangerous with regard to Huawei - their utter disrespect for intellectual property, or their subservience to a totalitarian government that is in continual digital warfare with the United States. Platitudes directed at the US are exactly that, and should be ignored.

And the States do the same thing. shrug Everyone is spying on eachother and we are not safe from that, despite what is said. I’m more afraid of the NSA having far reaching powers to spy on their own citizens than I am of China hacking into the NSA

Does the US have:

(a) Social credit system which centres around facial recognition of the entire population ?

(b) Reeducation camps where tens of millions of Muslims, Uyghurs, dissidents, journalists etc are sent to based on surveillance of their online activity ?

(c) Free reign to do whatever they want unfettered by any judicial or political oversight mechanisms ?

(d) Companies and the government stealing intellectual property on an industrial scale ?

The answer to all of those is no. US is a democracy with checks and balances provided by Congress, Journalists and the Courts. China has none of these.

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Post by roenxi »

beams_of_light wrote: post #7

I'm not sure which is more dangerous with regard to Huawei - their utter disrespect for intellectual property, or their subservience to a totalitarian government that is in continual digital warfare with the United States. Platitudes directed at the US are exactly that, and should be ignored.

Well, the single biggest threat to the US is if they can make better hardware cheaper than the American alternatives.

But of the two things you list, it probably depends on whether it is wartime or peacetime. In peacetime, better to be spied on by foreign governments and in wartime better not to be.

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Post by threeseed »

roenxi wrote: post #26
beams_of_light wrote: post #7

I'm not sure which is more dangerous with regard to Huawei - their utter disrespect for intellectual property, or their subservience to a totalitarian government that is in continual digital warfare with the United States. Platitudes directed at the US are exactly that, and should be ignored.

Well, the single biggest threat to the US is if they can make better hardware cheaper than the American alternatives. But of the two things you list, it probably depends on whether it is wartime or peacetime. In peacetime, better to be spied on by foreign governments and in wartime better not to be.

Right now we have Australian born citizens who were kidnapped on entry to China and sent to re-education camps based off anti-China comments made online. And many similar examples exist:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/detention-of-an-australian...

Sorry but I will always prefer the US where at least there is a functioning judicial system.

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Post by outlace »

torgian wrote: post #12
beams_of_light wrote: post #7

I'm not sure which is more dangerous with regard to Huawei - their utter disrespect for intellectual property, or their subservience to a totalitarian government that is in continual digital warfare with the United States. Platitudes directed at the US are exactly that, and should be ignored.

And the States do the same thing. shrug Everyone is spying on eachother and we are not safe from that, despite what is said. I’m more afraid of the NSA having far reaching powers to spy on their own citizens than I am of China hacking into the NSA

We can argue about which country has the worst spying record, but there's a fundamental difference between a country where you can be imprisoned for years for merely sharing a web post that is critical of the government and one where you can stand in front of the White House with signs calling the president an idiot racist and nothing bad happens. Genuine rule of law and a truly independent judiciary make all the difference. I say this as someone who is quite fond of China and travel there annually.

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Post by threeseed »

Spooky23 wrote: post #17
dade_ wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like Xerox? https://books.google.ca/books?id=KIEIX2X-na8C&pg=PA68&lpg=PA...

Xerox owes its complete domination of print and document to its status as a US government protected company. Lol.

Xerox has around 20% market share of managed print and document services.

Not really a complete domination is it. Lol.

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Post by threeseed »

dade_ wrote: post #14

And Canada now has zero credibility here. Between a US created diplomatic crisis with China and our Liberal government being exposed by it's on Attorney General, China has been proven right. Our courts are still at the control of our corrupt PMO. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/the-tories-passed-a-m... US/Canada human rights arguments arguments are pretty galling by a NA Aboriginal POV. I think the protester i…

So the entire judicial system in Canada has been coopted by the Trudeau government.

Sure thing.

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