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Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by DeonPenny »

devoply wrote: post #4
bhouston wrote: post #3

The us involved Canada in this trade war on purpose by issuing this arrest warrant that we had to execute because of our legal agreements with the us. Now the Chinese is retailating against us and we will have to respond. Great. It would be one thing if we had willingly decided to get involved but this is us being forced to get involved.

When Trump said this: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/politics/trump-china-huawei-c... Canada should've jumped on it and used it as an excuse to let her go as she would not be receiving a fair trial in the US. In general the extradition treaty that Canada has with the US needs revision badly as it forces Canada to turn over anyone to the US without much process. There should be a lot more process involved before Canad…

But everyone knows he can't and the fact that he didn't know she'd be arrested is proof. Making legal matter political is how you get corruption

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Post by gpm »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #5
devoply wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Trump said this: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/politics/trump-china-huawei-c... Canada should've jumped on it and used it as an excuse to let her go as she would not be receiving a fair trial in the US. In general the extradition treaty that Canada has with the US needs revision badly as it forces Canada to turn over anyone to the US without much process. There should be a lot more process involved before Canad…

The point of an extradition treaty is you beleive the other country has a reasonably fair and just justice system, or at least one roughly comparable to your own. If you force a full trial for extradition, there is no point to treaties like that to begin with.

This is unrelated to the China thing in my opinion. No one sensible is claiming things like "the US justice system will be unfairly stacked against her" or "she won't be properly guaranteed her human right against ". In general though I disagree and wish our extradition system worked differently.

It doesn't seem fair to the accused to send them to a country with different (in some cases lesser) protection than our own for various rights for their trial. In fact, doing so seems like a direct violation of human rights and thus (in Canada's case) the charter of rights and freedoms.

It's also not necessary. If we want to save on legal costs, we should simply run a single trial in the extraditing country which complies with both countries standards of human rights, proof, evidence, law, and so on.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by DeonPenny »

fro0116 wrote: post #16
rubatuga wrote: post #13

It would be great if instead of rallying for boycotts, they could rally for the release of the two Canadians that disappeared.

I'm not as well educated on these events as I'd like to be. Can anyone point to some unbiased (as much as possible) sources on what charges the Huawei CFO was arrested for, and what charges the Canadians in China were arrested for? On the face of it the arrests read like blatent retaliation from China, but I'd like to know more about the full circumstances.

Technically the canadians are in jail for working illegally in China.

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Post by mirimir »

rubatuga wrote: post #13

It would be great if instead of rallying for boycotts, they could rally for the release of the two Canadians that disappeared.

I'm sure that it's retaliation over the Huawei arrest. But those two aren't exactly innocent tourists.[0] And I'm sure that the Chinese could make passable arguments for their detention. Espionage is a difficult charge to disprove.

0) https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/biographical-...

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Post by Fricken »

gpm wrote: post #14
bhouston wrote: post #3

The us involved Canada in this trade war on purpose by issuing this arrest warrant that we had to execute because of our legal agreements with the us. Now the Chinese is retailating against us and we will have to respond. Great. It would be one thing if we had willingly decided to get involved but this is us being forced to get involved.

This is us choosing to help enforce sanctions against Iran, when we have sanctions against Iran ourselves. The only reason she's being extradited instead of charged locally is that she was dealing with American companies instead of Canadian companies. It's entirely consistent with treaty, and the rule of law. As such it is the right action regardless of any trade war with China. (As I understand it... I would like a…

The feds don't care about that, the Iran shit is just the technicality they called her on so they could use Wanzhou as a bartering chip in their trade war.

Like when Julian Assange was charged with rape, they just needed an excuse to try and have him extradited to America, it's not the real reason they were out to get him.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by gpm »

Fricken wrote: post #26
gpm wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is us choosing to help enforce sanctions against Iran, when we have sanctions against Iran ourselves. The only reason she's being extradited instead of charged locally is that she was dealing with American companies instead of Canadian companies. It's entirely consistent with treaty, and the rule of law. As such it is the right action regardless of any trade war with China. (As I understand it... I would like a…

The feds don't care about that, the Iran shit is just the technicality they called her on so they could use Wanzhou as a bartering chip in their trade war. Like when Julian Assange was charged with rape, they just needed an excuse to try and have him extradited to America, it's not the real reason they were out to get him.

I don't think that's the case this time.

We generally take our sanctions against Iran pretty seriously, and from what I've read it sounds like she was pretty blatantly involved in working around them.

That warrant was out for a long time, which isn't something I'd really expect out of something for this trade war.

I'd generally like to think that most of the US government is still above actions like that.

I could be wrong of course, in which case I'd probably agree that we shouldn't be doing this, I just think the evidence weighs in the other direction. (And yes, I'm aware of what the madman in charge has said).

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Post by karmasimida »

bhouston wrote: post #3

The us involved Canada in this trade war on purpose by issuing this arrest warrant that we had to execute because of our legal agreements with the us. Now the Chinese is retailating against us and we will have to respond. Great. It would be one thing if we had willingly decided to get involved but this is us being forced to get involved.

Canada can choose to walk away, which would be smart. But apparently there is some miscalculation, now they stuck in between two superpowers.

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Post by cauldron »

bhouston wrote: post #3

The us involved Canada in this trade war on purpose by issuing this arrest warrant that we had to execute because of our legal agreements with the us. Now the Chinese is retailating against us and we will have to respond. Great. It would be one thing if we had willingly decided to get involved but this is us being forced to get involved.

The problem here is not that China retailated against Canada coz the US.

China has retailated against South Korea, Japan and Sweden, Canada is just waiting in the line, it's just a matter of when, they will find the cause.

The problem here is not China acted now, is that they can and will act like this successfully and without consequences. CCP just love to stoke and ride this hatred, they need moments like this to cement themselves.

You don't see China and Chinese threatening to retaliate agaisnt and boycott America (they just did and basically failed), coz they know they can't yet, but any other country? it's really just when.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by ziont »

nimbius wrote: post #17

The US obsession with huawei is at best, a corporate witch-hunt. Its a case of wanting to have your cake, and eat it too. You cannot spend 40 years outsourcing manufacturing for near-term profit, and expect to maintain longer term revenue as a market leader. Sooner or later, your cheap manufacturers will outpace you in quality, price, and features. Just ask Harley Davidson. Their solution to high quality competition…

It is not a witch hunt-All Five Eyes countries have independently come to the same conclusion.

There is very little reason to trust corporate China, they have a horrible track record of breaking rules, cutting corners, cheating, hell even the regulators don't trust their own numbers.

It's not far fetched that a country which steals IP because they don't have the means to produce people that come up with these valuable IPs, would do everything in their power to subvert, infiltrate and manipulate to achieve their objective.

It's like this. China has really bad street cred. People buy their product because its cheap, but that's about as far as the trust from West goes.

Don't act surprised when China comes under extra scrutiny and fails the test. It's already happened to steel, ship building where companies no longer trust Chinese quality, and the trade war has largely benefitted the Korea and Japanese as a result.

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