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Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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As much as I think the tariffs are not the right solution, something needs to be done to punish Chinese aggression towards the West. They've been playing very dirty without any real consequences. Trade should not be conducted through industrial espionage or intelligence agencies as a standard approach. The blurred line between Chinese intelligence and Chinese businesses is a dangerous one as it can turn IP theft into…

Remember that the CIA did worse (like droning children in Yemen), be careful what you wish for.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of, it's extremely misleading. It suggests that there is no evidence of espionage because charges were never pressed, but consider: >According to four former intelligence officials, in the 2000s, a staffer in Senator Dianne Feinstein’s San Francisco field office was reporting back to the MSS. While this person, who was a liaison to the local Chinese community, was fired, charges were never filed against him. (On…

Here's the rest of what that article says about the topic. I'm not sure why it brings up the topic 2x in the same article. It looks like this paragraph is a revision of the first. "Former intelligence officials told me that Chinese intelligence once recruited a staff member at a California office of U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, and the source reported back to China about local politics. (A spokesperson for Feinstei…

>He was talking about local politics to someone who worked for the Chinese government.

Everyone in the government contractor industry (or government itself) gets annual training on spotting these sorts of leaks. Just discussing any stuff (even if you don't work with classified things) you're doing at work with a foreign national is touchy enough that many people avoid doing it all together. Everyone who works for the federal government or a company that works for the federal government is well aware of this. This isn't an innocent mistake. It's highly unlikely that this guy didn't know what he was doing was questionable.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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As much as I think the tariffs are not the right solution, something needs to be done to punish Chinese aggression towards the West. They've been playing very dirty without any real consequences. Trade should not be conducted through industrial espionage or intelligence agencies as a standard approach. The blurred line between Chinese intelligence and Chinese businesses is a dangerous one as it can turn IP theft into…

Remember that the CIA did worse (like droning children in Yemen), be careful what you wish for.

And China is literally exterminating the uighurs.

Your point? Orthogonal to the issue at hand.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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As much as I think the tariffs are not the right solution, something needs to be done to punish Chinese aggression towards the West. They've been playing very dirty without any real consequences. Trade should not be conducted through industrial espionage or intelligence agencies as a standard approach. The blurred line between Chinese intelligence and Chinese businesses is a dangerous one as it can turn IP theft into…

Remember that the CIA did worse (like droning children in Yemen), be careful what you wish for.

I thought the topic was world trade.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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As an ethical Chinese myself, I'd like to reiterate that this type event is government-backed. And I am confident that HNers respect the boundary between Chinese people and the government. I do want to point out that general Chinese people in mainland China view these type of activities negatively as well. It should not be thought as the general people endorse such activities, they were mostly made unaware of these,…

As a foreigner living in China, I can say that the populace is like many other countries. You have your normal people who don't really keep track of what's going on, you have your informed people who have informed opinions and realize that the world is a complicated place, and then you have your crazies who are filled with distrust of other nations and conspiracy theories in the name of nationalism and patriotism. There are some people who view these activities as negative, and there are some people who view these activities as positive, and there are some people who never even think about it. We must acknowledge there are many in China who do endorse these activities too, just as there are people in the US who feel bombing North Korea is the right thing to do. There is no need to make things look nicer than they are, just as there is no need to make things look worse than they are.

And ironically, let's face it, every country is doing something in the spy game, China is not alone in using underhanded methods to steal secrets and intelligence. And each country can easily spout their justifications too.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose it's perpetuating the idea that a government is representative of all its people: the spies are from the people of China, as opposed to the government of the PRC.

> A 21-page indictment filed in US District Court in the Southern District of California said the Jiangsu Province Ministry of State Security, an arm of the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security, directed the five-year campaign. How would you call the spies if not "Chinese"? They are the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security's spies.

> How would you call the spies if not "Chinese"? They are the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security's spies.

CCP spies? Chinese Communist spies? Personally, I've been trying to correct my use of China/Chinese to "Communist Party" when talking about PRC government topics. I think that's more accurate since the PRC government dominates the Chinese people more than it represents them.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the rest of what that article says about the topic. I'm not sure why it brings up the topic 2x in the same article. It looks like this paragraph is a revision of the first. "Former intelligence officials told me that Chinese intelligence once recruited a staff member at a California office of U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, and the source reported back to China about local politics. (A spokesperson for Feinstei…

>He was talking about local politics to someone who worked for the Chinese government. Everyone in the government contractor industry (or government itself) gets annual training on spotting these sorts of leaks. Just discussing any stuff (even if you don't work with classified things) you're doing at work with a foreign national is touchy enough that many people avoid doing it all together. Everyone who works for the…

This guy wasn't working in the defense industry, and he wasn't in a sensitive enough position to warrant any kind of clearance.

I'm sure someone talked to him about it, but it's unlikely he got any sort of serious training.

He supposedly talked to someone who worked their way into his life over several years about non-sensitive, non-classified material related to local politics. I imagine he would have been more careful/aware if the "friend" was asking about classified information, or if his "friend" hadn't done it very slowly.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Confused, why is this downvoted? Is it wrong? Update: Funny, now the comment is upvoted and my question is downvoted :-)

The President, and some partisan media organizations were pushing a narrative that the mainstream media was covering up a conspiracy. I'm assuming the people down-voting believe the conspiracy theory. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/feinstein-chinese-spy/

Why is a Snopes link being downvoted?
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