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Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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As much as I think the tariffs are not the right solution, something needs to be done to punish Chinese aggression towards the West. They've been playing very dirty without any real consequences. Trade should not be conducted through industrial espionage or intelligence agencies as a standard approach.

The blurred line between Chinese intelligence and Chinese businesses is a dangerous one as it can turn IP theft into a real escalation.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Why is this sort of racism in headlines permitted simply because the event in question is sponsored by a government? Yes, I understand that the adjective used to describe actors in the PRC government and the adjective used to describe the ethnic group of 1bn+ that live under that government is the same; but perhaps they shouldn’t be for this very reason.

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It's now fitting a pattern of anti-Chinese submissions and anti-Chinese comments on this site. Don't argue with someone when they say your behavior is racist just because you are willfully blind to it.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Why is this sort of racism in headlines permitted simply because the event in question is sponsored by a government? Yes, I understand that the adjective used to describe actors in the PRC government and the adjective used to describe the ethnic group of 1bn+ that live under that government is the same; but perhaps they shouldn’t be for this very reason.

I dont see any racism in headline?

There isn't any. It's a very obvious attempt to divert from the subject of the discussion (China stealing tech from the US) by using an aggressive cover (racism) that is heavier than the focus subject.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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>Besides using spear phishing, watering holes, malware, and domain hijackings, prosecutors said, the defendants also recruited employees of some of the targeted companies to infect corporate networks and provide intelligence about investigations. This lines up with having a Chinese spy in California Senator Diane Feinstein's office: Being both a California Senator and a 'Gang of Eight' intelligence member, the Chines…

A friend of mine is volunteering for someone's campaign.

He said as soon as it was semi public that he was involved his personal email lit up with fake emails. His email wasn't even listed anywhere in association with the campaign and he didn't use it for the campaign. Presumably they just guessed it (could have done that easily) or they found a list or something.

So just getting involved, now you're personally involved all the way.

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Why is this sort of racism in headlines permitted simply because the event in question is sponsored by a government? Yes, I understand that the adjective used to describe actors in the PRC government and the adjective used to describe the ethnic group of 1bn+ that live under that government is the same; but perhaps they shouldn’t be for this very reason.

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There is a pattern of anti-Chinese submission and comments. Don't argue with someone when they say your behavior is racist just because you are willfully blind to it.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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> This lines up with having a Chinese spy in California Senator Diane Feinstein's office That's not really an accurate description of what happened. Here's Feinstein's statement: "Five years ago the FBI informed me it had concerns that an administrative member of my California staff was potentially being sought out by the Chinese government to provide information. He was not a mole or a spy, but someone who a foreign…

Confused, why is this downvoted? Is it wrong? Update: Funny, now the comment is upvoted and my question is downvoted :-)

The President, and some partisan media organizations were pushing a narrative that the mainstream media was covering up a conspiracy. I'm assuming the people down-voting believe the conspiracy theory.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/feinstein-chinese-spy/

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This lines up with having a Chinese spy in California Senator Diane Feinstein's office That's not really an accurate description of what happened. Here's Feinstein's statement: "Five years ago the FBI informed me it had concerns that an administrative member of my California staff was potentially being sought out by the Chinese government to provide information. He was not a mole or a spy, but someone who a foreign…

Confused, why is this downvoted? Is it wrong? Update: Funny, now the comment is upvoted and my question is downvoted :-)

Sort of, it's extremely misleading. It suggests that there is no evidence of espionage because charges were never pressed, but consider:

>According to four former intelligence officials, in the 2000s, a staffer in Senator Dianne Feinstein’s San Francisco field office was reporting back to the MSS. While this person, who was a liaison to the local Chinese community, was fired, charges were never filed against him. (One former official reasoned this was because the staffer was providing political intelligence and not classified information—making prosecution far more difficult.) The suspected informant was “run” by officials based at China’s San Francisco Consulate, said another former intelligence official. The spy’s handler “probably got an award back in China” for his work, noted this former official, dryly.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/27/silicon-v...

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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As an ethical Chinese myself, I'd like to reiterate that this type event is government-backed. And I am confident that HNers respect the boundary between Chinese people and the government.

I do want to point out that general Chinese people in mainland China view these type of activities negatively as well. It should not be thought as the general people endorse such activities, they were mostly made unaware of these, as always.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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I dont see any racism in headline?

I suppose it's perpetuating the idea that a government is representative of all its people: the spies are from the people of China, as opposed to the government of the PRC.

> A 21-page indictment filed in US District Court in the Southern District of California said the Jiangsu Province Ministry of State Security, an arm of the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security, directed the five-year campaign.

How would you call the spies if not "Chinese"? They are the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security's spies.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Confused, why is this downvoted? Is it wrong? Update: Funny, now the comment is upvoted and my question is downvoted :-)

Sort of, it's extremely misleading. It suggests that there is no evidence of espionage because charges were never pressed, but consider: >According to four former intelligence officials, in the 2000s, a staffer in Senator Dianne Feinstein’s San Francisco field office was reporting back to the MSS. While this person, who was a liaison to the local Chinese community, was fired, charges were never filed against him. (On…

Here's the rest of what that article says about the topic. I'm not sure why it brings up the topic 2x in the same article. It looks like this paragraph is a revision of the first.

"Former intelligence officials told me that Chinese intelligence once recruited a staff member at a California office of U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, and the source reported back to China about local politics. (A spokesperson for Feinstein said the office doesn’t comment on personnel matters or investigations, but noted that no Feinstein staffer in California has ever had a security clearance.)"

None of that contradicts what your first article said, that the staffer didn't know he was being recruited. He was talking about local politics to someone who worked for the Chinese government who was pumping him for information.

The rest is just speculation on the part of someone the reporter talked to about how he could have theoretically committed a crime despite not being prosecuted.

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