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No Amount of Alcohol Use Is Safe, Analysis of Studies Finds

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Re: No Amount of Alcohol Use Is Safe, Analysis of Studies Finds

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I thought the article was about how even small amounts of alcohol were bad for the health but there's just a line about it and no link to the study. The rest is about heavy drinkers, which seems like nothing new.

This is generally true for most of these studies. They rarely look at low alcohol consumption, and then extrapolate to it being true for all levels. They also tend to quite heavily correct for morbidity among those who drink no alcohol. It’s a good idea, but often not made clear to the end reader. My general perception is that maybe small amounts of alcohol aren’t necessarily good for you (which was previously though…

I call the category of low alcohol consumption into question as being substantial enough of a number to create an argument against the ill-effects of worldwide alcohol consumption. Is it the yearly total, factoring in several days of binge drinking? I am 54, and have lived and traveled the world, and I have rarely met people who only have one drink every few days or so, or if they did, are now mid-to-high alcohol consumers. Like a cancer it grows. I have given up drinking several times in my life, and I currently do not drink. Alcohol culture and marketing seems the same everywhere except when I spent a year living in Indonesia, or traveling to less developed areas in the world. No signs and billboards, no print or TV ads, or conversations with people mentioning how hungover they were, or looking forward to drinking over the weekend, or drinking and driving and making it home somehow, all created a stark and telling context when returning to the US after 8 years overseas. At my current workplace, alcohol is talked about by my young colleagues in a large percentage of their conversation and with passion. The romance and addiction associated with alcohol probably fogs the eyes of those trying to be objective when studying it.

Re: No Amount of Alcohol Use Is Safe, Analysis of Studies Finds

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I'll just wait for the next study that says it's great for you.

Considering the power and money at stake in the alcohol industry, the presence of even one study proving that any alcohol level is bad for you, would be worrying. The fact that it's not just one study, but many, is more than enough.

Re: No Amount of Alcohol Use Is Safe, Analysis of Studies Finds

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When the scientific conclusions are rapidly changing like this, I hope our leaders will have the wisdom to change recommendations and policy slowly while this plays out.

This isn't a rapid change. We've known this for years. The only reason people are unsure about this is the multi-million dollar industry spending huge amounts on bad science and press releases.

Alcohol also generates billions in tax revenue for government.

Vices are excused when wealthy educated people partake in them and government profits.

It isn't just harm to one's own health...alcohol consumption and addiction imposes a massive cost on society...much worse than firearms...but you rarely hear politicians discuss "sane alcohol control"

Re: No Amount of Alcohol Use Is Safe, Analysis of Studies Finds

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Sorry but I’m pretty sure drinking 1 glass of beer every day is not going to cause a major increase in road injuries or self harm. That just doesn’t make sense.

They're talking about a small effect across a large population on an uncommon event. Your small glass of beer most days isn't doing much to you, but across the population it means you have thousands of extra accidents.

https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa...

Even the slight effects start at 2 glasses.

This kind of statement is as useful as the ‘all products are known to the state of California to cause cancer’ stickers.

Re: No Amount of Alcohol Use Is Safe, Analysis of Studies Finds

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I thought the article was about how even small amounts of alcohol were bad for the health but there's just a line about it and no link to the study. The rest is about heavy drinkers, which seems like nothing new.

Here's the link to the study: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

Re: No Amount of Alcohol Use Is Safe, Analysis of Studies Finds

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For anyone that’s looking to drink less or moderate their consumption I’d recommend a book by Annie grace called this naked mind. I’m about two weeks past finishing the book and although I haven’t stopped drinking, I’ve had the first real mental shift in how I view alcohol consumption. She was a high functioning, heavy drinker and she dives into the unconscious mind and societal norms/pressures around consuming alcoh…

I'd recommend AA.

Re: No Amount of Alcohol Use Is Safe, Analysis of Studies Finds

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For anyone that’s looking to drink less or moderate their consumption I’d recommend a book by Annie grace called this naked mind. I’m about two weeks past finishing the book and although I haven’t stopped drinking, I’ve had the first real mental shift in how I view alcohol consumption. She was a high functioning, heavy drinker and she dives into the unconscious mind and societal norms/pressures around consuming alcoh…

I'd recommend AA.

Not sure why someone would downvote this. I myself am a member. If you have a drinking problem you can't control, come to a meeting please.

Re: No Amount of Alcohol Use Is Safe, Analysis of Studies Finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd recommend AA.

Not sure why someone would downvote this. I myself am a member. If you have a drinking problem you can't control, come to a meeting please.

The reply comes across as you recommending AA instead of what the parent comment recommends. Hence the downvotes.
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