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Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by tomp »

koliber wrote: post #5

I don't understand what this article is trying to convey. > One sample of Quaker Old Fashioned Oats measured at more than 1,000 parts per billion of glyphosate. That's 1 part per million (ppm), found in one particular sample. I imagine this was the most extreme outlier, as otherwise it would not be mentioned as prominently. And then, right in the next sentence: > The Environmental Protection Agency has a range of saf…

For a long time, the story of pro-GMO advocates was "RoundUp is safer than other weed-killers because it's applied when the plant is still young and not growing edible parts yet, so there won't be any of it in your food".

Looks like they were wrong.

(Note that I'm not saying that RoundUp is worse than other stuff, or that there's more of it in our food that of other stuff.)

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by tomcooks »

roel_v wrote: post #13
koliber wrote: post #5

I don't understand what this article is trying to convey. > One sample of Quaker Old Fashioned Oats measured at more than 1,000 parts per billion of glyphosate. That's 1 part per million (ppm), found in one particular sample. I imagine this was the most extreme outlier, as otherwise it would not be mentioned as prominently. And then, right in the next sentence: > The Environmental Protection Agency has a range of saf…

It's the Guardian. It's the British equivalent of Fox but from the other side of the political spectrum. I don't understand why so much Guardian drivel is upvoted here every day.

Because, unlike Fox, the Guardian hires proper journalists, and the Guardian's profits are reinvested in journalism rather than to benefit its shareholders.

BTW: "drivel" my arse, as they say there.

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by harryh »

TsomArp wrote: post #2

I don't understand why aren't they forbidden from selling that shit.

You don't understand this because you have no understanding of the science behind food safety. If you were more educated about this sort of thing your understanding would improve.

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by randomdata »

tomp wrote: post #21
koliber wrote: post #5

I don't understand what this article is trying to convey. > One sample of Quaker Old Fashioned Oats measured at more than 1,000 parts per billion of glyphosate. That's 1 part per million (ppm), found in one particular sample. I imagine this was the most extreme outlier, as otherwise it would not be mentioned as prominently. And then, right in the next sentence: > The Environmental Protection Agency has a range of saf…

For a long time, the story of pro-GMO advocates was "RoundUp is safer than other weed-killers because it's applied when the plant is still young and not growing edible parts yet, so there won't be any of it in your food". Looks like they were wrong. (Note that I'm not saying that RoundUp is worse than other stuff, or that there's more of it in our food that of other stuff.)

They may not be wrong. The article says that glyphosate was found present in all but two of the 45 oat-derived products. There are no GMO oats available on the market.

Glyphosate is sometimes used on wheat and oats when the plant is at the end of its lifecycle when it is fine, if not desirable, if it kills the crop. We can reasonably conclude that the traces showed up because of the crop being non-GMO, delaying application until the plants are old.

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by pasta »

koliber wrote: post #5

I don't understand what this article is trying to convey. > One sample of Quaker Old Fashioned Oats measured at more than 1,000 parts per billion of glyphosate. That's 1 part per million (ppm), found in one particular sample. I imagine this was the most extreme outlier, as otherwise it would not be mentioned as prominently. And then, right in the next sentence: > The Environmental Protection Agency has a range of saf…

- Q: "I don't understand what this article is trying to convey."

- A: Getting as much hits as possible so they have more income from ads.

Also: "Cancer-linked herbicide, sold as Roundup by Monsanto, present in 45 products including granola, snack bars and Cheerios" is very sensational because there are a lot of types of herbicides.

Glyphosate is possible connected to cancer but there is not much proof for it.

Edit: (disclaimer) I think it's still crazy companies are allowed to add toxic synthetic chemicals to nature.

For example: In the US and Netherlands there is now GenX [1] in drinking water because it is unsure if GenX can cause any harm. Well imho that should be the other way around: only allow chemicals to be dumped in open water if you are 100% sure it can't do harm.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GenX

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by tr0ut »

simontc wrote: post #3
TsomArp wrote: post #2

I don't understand why aren't they forbidden from selling that shit.

The Trump administration just allowed the usage of asbestos. I don't think there is a chance of getting a Monsanto product banned.

Please stop repeating this. Its just not completely accurate. I keep hearing it from people. First asbestos has been in use for a long time. Still to this day before anything to do with Trump. What has been happening is the number of companies that produce or use it have greatly declined. Due to legal issues. Second not all asbestos is created equal. Some of the fibers are completely save for there intended purpose. There are many studies that argue claims that it is the direct cause of illness. We really don't know. The people at the greatest risk and I'm sure this risk is universal for such materials. Are the ones working with it on a daily basis.

I have nothing to do with asbestos nor did I vote for Trump. But the knee-jerk reaction does nothing to inform anyone of reality.

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by randomdata »

pasta wrote: post #25
koliber wrote: post #5

I don't understand what this article is trying to convey. > One sample of Quaker Old Fashioned Oats measured at more than 1,000 parts per billion of glyphosate. That's 1 part per million (ppm), found in one particular sample. I imagine this was the most extreme outlier, as otherwise it would not be mentioned as prominently. And then, right in the next sentence: > The Environmental Protection Agency has a range of saf…

- Q: "I don't understand what this article is trying to convey." - A: Getting as much hits as possible so they have more income from ads. Also: "Cancer-linked herbicide, sold as Roundup by Monsanto, present in 45 products including granola, snack bars and Cheerios" is very sensational because there are a lot of types of herbicides. Glyphosate is possible connected to cancer but there is not much proof for it. Edit: (…

Even the recent court case about Roundup was careful to avoid looking at glyphosate, but instead focused on other additives mixed into the Roundup brand.

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by strainer »

darpa_escapee wrote: post #16
nealdt wrote: post #6

All the more reason to select organic produce and where possible start growing your own veggies or link up with local co-operatives. It's something we've done and having a close relationship with local growers and knowing about your food is fantastic and something kids love. The [roduce tends to have more nutrients as well (yet more positives). Can it be done large scale? I remember hearing in a talk about permacultu…

While you won't have to worry about glysophate on organic food, just as much, if not more, pesticides are used on organic crops.

Considering reduction of pesticide use and exposure is one of the main objectives of the organic movement, which has been developing for over 60 years now - it would be a hopeless situation if it resulted in "just as much, if not more, pesticides".

Do you have any substantial sources for such a tragic claim?

For example here[1] is an EU funded meta-review from 2014 which finds: " the frequency of occurrence of pesticide residues was found to be four times higher in conventional crops, which also contained significantly higher concentrations of the toxic metal Cd. "

I personally have some faith that professional scrutiny involved in developing organic standards, selects the permissible pesticides with some insight and success. Not without possibility of some errors - to which the national and international trading standards are also susceptible, however the organic standards are a refined subset of those protections.

[1] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-n...

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by gruez »

strainer wrote: post #28
darpa_escapee wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While you won't have to worry about glysophate on organic food, just as much, if not more, pesticides are used on organic crops.

Considering reduction of pesticide use and exposure is one of the main objectives of the organic movement, which has been developing for over 60 years now - it would be a hopeless situation if it resulted in "just as much, if not more, pesticides". Do you have any substantial sources for such a tragic claim? For example here[1] is an EU funded meta-review from 2014 which finds: " the frequency of occurrence of pestic…

>Considering reduction of pesticide use and exposure is one of the main objectives of the organic movement

why does that matter when the still spray as much pesticides you want and still call it "organic"? call it the "pesticide free movement" or something, but don't conflate it with "organic", which is essentially a meaningless marketing term at this point, at least when it comes to food safety.

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by yeloboy »

masto wrote: post #18
koliber wrote: post #5

I don't understand what this article is trying to convey. > One sample of Quaker Old Fashioned Oats measured at more than 1,000 parts per billion of glyphosate. That's 1 part per million (ppm), found in one particular sample. I imagine this was the most extreme outlier, as otherwise it would not be mentioned as prominently. And then, right in the next sentence: > The Environmental Protection Agency has a range of saf…

The reason it looks sensationalistic is that it is. This is the result of an anti-science advocacy group called EWG that put out a press release that's being republished by various lazy news outlets. This is the same group that has made claims that vaccines cause autism and cell phones cause brain cancer. Unfortunately, this type of article is irresistible to the media and it's getting a ridiculous amount of traction…

There's nothing reputable about that site. Deal with it, reputable organisations have classified glyphosphate as a carcinogen.
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