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Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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> I can imagine a thousand horrifically different ways this could have turned out Like what? It's a small prop plane with a tiny amount of fuel and mass. Stealing a truck is considerably easier and can be used to do considerably more damage. This 'hurr so scary we need to act' line of reasoning is why people have traded all their freedoms away in exchange for illusionary protection. The attack surface from a maliciou…

The Bombardier Q400 can seat 80 people and weighs 40,000 lbs empty.

A bus isn’t much smaller.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Bombardier Q400 can seat 80 people and weighs 40,000 lbs empty.

Which is about half of the weight of a loaded 18 wheeler.

Gravity has less of an impact on something already on the ground

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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> Mr. Russell stole a plane from the airport and flew it for about an hour before it crashed. (emphasis mine) Wonder why Air National Guard's scrambled F-15s [0] didn't engage and bring the plane down before the individual commandeering the prop -- Mr. Russell -- brought the aircraft down with himself in the Ketron Island. IIRC, the plane flew over several densely populated areas before going down, and I can imagine…

And to think, even if they decided to take him down, it would have likely been over a populated area. Unless they disintegrated it with missiles while in the sky, it likely would have ended in a catastrophe. The decision to not take the plan out as soon as they had the chance to safely was interesting. Their lack of action could have resulted in the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of people. Interestingly enough…

9/11 was an inside job.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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> Mr. Russell stole a plane from the airport and flew it for about an hour before it crashed. (emphasis mine) Wonder why Air National Guard's scrambled F-15s [0] didn't engage and bring the plane down before the individual commandeering the prop -- Mr. Russell -- brought the aircraft down with himself in the Ketron Island. IIRC, the plane flew over several densely populated areas before going down, and I can imagine…

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Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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> Mr. Russell stole a plane from the airport and flew it for about an hour before it crashed. (emphasis mine) Wonder why Air National Guard's scrambled F-15s [0] didn't engage and bring the plane down before the individual commandeering the prop -- Mr. Russell -- brought the aircraft down with himself in the Ketron Island. IIRC, the plane flew over several densely populated areas before going down, and I can imagine…

Listen to the recording of ATC personnel talking to the rogue pilot. He's just a normal guy with a few screws loose. I think they correctly assessed this man to be non-threatening to ground targets. Now, if the guy was non-responsive or erratic or started making threats, I do expect that the F15s might have been used.

The recordings are surreal. He was talking about how beautiful Mount Rainer was and how he was going to check out the Olympics. He even asked for the coordinates to that Orca pod up here that's been in the news lately. I immediately got the sense he wasn't a threat, at least not intentionally - just a guy a bit lost. (Yes obviously I know he was still a major threat regardless of if he meant to do any harm.)

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

#26
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Bombardier Q400 can seat 80 people and weighs 40,000 lbs empty.

Which is about half of the weight of a loaded 18 wheeler.

It’s kind of hard to drive an 18 wheeler into the middle of a building at 600 mph.

KE = m * v

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

#27
post #9

Surprising it has taken decades for someone to try this. At least we don't have to wait on delayed planes while the pilot tracks down the key...

It's not like the engine start procedure on one of those things is a turnkey solution. The amount of domain knowledge needed serves as a form of soft security.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Bombardier Q400 can seat 80 people and weighs 40,000 lbs empty.

Which is about half of the weight of a loaded 18 wheeler.

Said 18 wheeler isn't traveling 130mph :)

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is about half of the weight of a loaded 18 wheeler.

Gravity has less of an impact on something already on the ground

Technically gravity has more of an impact on something already on the ground, r being smaller

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is about half of the weight of a loaded 18 wheeler.

It’s kind of hard to drive an 18 wheeler into the middle of a building at 600 mph. KE = m * v

P = mv KE = 1/2 m v^2
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