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Developments in tech in Toronto over the past seven years

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Re: Developments in tech in Toronto over the past seven years

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Post by ninjakeyboard »

kirbypineapple wrote: post #13

The wages in Toronto are laughable. In the praries it's possible to make maybe 10 to 20k less than Toronto salaries but the houses are half the price.

The wages in toronto have skyrocketed in the last couple years. I'm looking for functional programming people if you're interested I can pay at least $120k/year and offer considerable equity to work on realtime systems. We're profitable and not funded. We have a couple seats to fill and I'm having a hard time because people in Scala circles are expecting $150k/year in Toronto. Many of my peers are making $150k no problem in the city as full time employees at your average tech company.

If you have elixir or scala experience, like FP, like realtime problems...

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Post by alishan-l »

Kpourdeilami wrote: post #10
devoply wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Canada, salaries for tech seem to normally max out around 100k for developers (with exceptions for working for big US/multinational companies like Amazon, MSFT, etc.). Even 80k is pretty common for senior developers... In Canadian dollars. So around 80k USD is max a Canadian developer can expect to make other than a few unusual cases thrown in there which might go as high as 130k CAD so around 100k USD is a stella…

$100k CAD is not really the max in Canada. That’s how much small startups are paying to hire developers with around 2 years of experience in Kitchener-Waterloo that tends to be cheaper than Toronto

Bit of an exaggeration.

Show me any startup in Canada who'll pay $100k for two years of experience.

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Post by [deleted] »

thinkingkong wrote: post #17
kirbypineapple wrote: post #13

The wages in Toronto are laughable. In the praries it's possible to make maybe 10 to 20k less than Toronto salaries but the houses are half the price.

This is a Canada wide problem. Rather, Id even say its a !valley problem. Canadian businesses keep making this weird assumption that theres some kind of market capture but it’s really only true for people who have to stay in the city or country for some reason. The addressable hirable market is the people who chose / have to stay and havent realized being employed by a US business is as easy as switching github organ…

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Post by hello_moto »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #8
Oppertunity123 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe for smaller companies, but msft, Amazon, tableau in Canada all pay more than that.

What's TC like for those?

AVG TC Senior Devs in AMZN, DATA, CRM, and Splunk is CAD 250k.

MSFT probably around 180k-190k.

I knew DATA offered 300k++ for Principal.

All offers with RSUs (hence TC).

Re: Developments in tech in Toronto over the past seven years

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Post by ninjakeyboard »

adamgravitis wrote: post #18

Toronto’s tech talent is keen... but relatively green. Since few companies have had to deal with scaling networks, users and data to the same magnitude as is common with Valley companies, it’s almost impossible to find senior engineers worthy of the title. Plenty of options for junior and intermediate, though.

Yeah. I'm struggling to find really solid engineers in the city. I need really experienced people and I can't find anyone. Even the most sr consultants and contractors have a lot of gaps and don't understand the real edge cases that appear in systems.

I was lucky enough to learn from a team as we went through a google acquisition and watch and learn as the technology was scaled in both the context of a startup, and later inside Google. I was the whitebelt in the back of the room but that experience of working in that team was the most valuable experience I could have ever hoped for and I still regularly mail the people that I absorbed from to let them know how grateful I am to have taken me along on that journey. It's not a common experience but that completely humbled me and fixed my dunning-kruger arrogant ass.

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Post by ibopm »

ninjakeyboard wrote: post #21
kirbypineapple wrote: post #13

The wages in Toronto are laughable. In the praries it's possible to make maybe 10 to 20k less than Toronto salaries but the houses are half the price.

The wages in toronto have skyrocketed in the last couple years. I'm looking for functional programming people if you're interested I can pay at least $120k/year and offer considerable equity to work on realtime systems. We're profitable and not funded. We have a couple seats to fill and I'm having a hard time because people in Scala circles are expecting $150k/year in Toronto. Many of my peers are making $150k no pro…

Is that CAD or USD though? Because you're still really underpaying if it's CAD.

Re: Developments in tech in Toronto over the past seven years

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Post by acchow »

thinkingkong wrote: post #17
kirbypineapple wrote: post #13

The wages in Toronto are laughable. In the praries it's possible to make maybe 10 to 20k less than Toronto salaries but the houses are half the price.

This is a Canada wide problem. Rather, Id even say its a !valley problem. Canadian businesses keep making this weird assumption that theres some kind of market capture but it’s really only true for people who have to stay in the city or country for some reason. The addressable hirable market is the people who chose / have to stay and havent realized being employed by a US business is as easy as switching github organ…

"!valley problem"? Seattle and New York aren't in the "valley" and have the same compensation as the valley.
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