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Things to know about the GDPR, Mozilla and Firefox

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Re: Things to know about the GDPR, Mozilla and Firefox

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Post by krageon »

jhall1468 wrote: post #18
krageon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are wrong. This is a misconception that has thankfully died down a bit over the past week or so, but apparently it is still a bit alive. There are accords in place between (for example) the US and the EU, which allows the EU to hand out fines overseas. The reverse is also true (the US can and does litigate in the EU).

Show me case law where an EU government fined a US company and how they enforced payment of that fine.

When did I mention case law? Shouldn't you be asking me for proof of the accords I mentioned, which is what I'm actually talking about?

Re: Things to know about the GDPR, Mozilla and Firefox

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Post by jhall1468 »

eatbitseveryday wrote: post #20
jhall1468 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show me case law where an EU government fined a US company and how they enforced payment of that fine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp_v_Commission

That's not an example of what I asked for. Microsoft had offices in the EU when this case started, which made them an EU company for all intents and purposes.

Re: Things to know about the GDPR, Mozilla and Firefox

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Post by kuschku »

Great, so about:addons doesn’t use tracking Google Analytics cookies anymore? Or has a visible way to disable it (you need to enable DNT to get rid of this).

And Firefox Nightly does not track personally identifiable telemetry anymore?

No. Mozilla still tracks every step I take.

What the fuck, Mozilla?

EDIT: Example. Go to If you go to view-source:https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/ — In the code you’ll find Google Analytics, and if you open the page, it’ll set tracking cookies. No cookie notice, no opt-in, at all.

How the FUCK is this supposed to be GDPR-compliant? Cambridge Analytica is more GDPR-compliant than this.

EDIT 2: See also https://github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/2785 to show that about:addons loads addons.mozilla.org, including the Google Analytics trackers without opt-in.

EDIT 3: See also https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/channel/desktop/ which explains that Nightly and Beta always send telemetry, which can not be turned off in any way, and your only way to avoid it is to stop using the product, which again violates the GDPR section on "free consent".

Re: Things to know about the GDPR, Mozilla and Firefox

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Post by gcthomas »

dekrg wrote: post #14

That's interesting as what it's website privacy policy actually says looks the exact opposite of GDPR compliant. From https://www.mozilla.org/privacy/websites/ which is linked from as Privacy link from https://addons.mozilla.org . >We may use cookies, clear GIFs, third party web analytics, device information, and IP addresses for functionality and to better understand user interaction with our products, services, and…

If the data collected is not personally identifying data, then GDPR is not interested in it. Maybe it is PII, but the quoted policies don't say that.

> We may also use cookies, device information and IP addresses, along with clear GIFs, cookies and third party services to help us understand in the aggregate how users engage with our products, …

Re: Things to know about the GDPR, Mozilla and Firefox

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Post by Xylakant »

jhall1468 wrote: post #18
krageon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are wrong. This is a misconception that has thankfully died down a bit over the past week or so, but apparently it is still a bit alive. There are accords in place between (for example) the US and the EU, which allows the EU to hand out fines overseas. The reverse is also true (the US can and does litigate in the EU).

Show me case law where an EU government fined a US company and how they enforced payment of that fine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp_v_Commission

Re: Things to know about the GDPR, Mozilla and Firefox

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Post by djsumdog »

kuschku wrote: post #23

Great, so about:addons doesn’t use tracking Google Analytics cookies anymore? Or has a visible way to disable it (you need to enable DNT to get rid of this). And Firefox Nightly does not track personally identifiable telemetry anymore? No. Mozilla still tracks every step I take. What the fuck, Mozilla? EDIT: Example. Go to If you go to view-source: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/ — In the code you’ll find G…

It makes me think back to the Mr. Robot ad fiasco a while back.

Re: Things to know about the GDPR, Mozilla and Firefox

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Post by jhall1468 »

krageon wrote: post #21
jhall1468 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show me case law where an EU government fined a US company and how they enforced payment of that fine.

When did I mention case law? Shouldn't you be asking me for proof of the accords I mentioned, which is what I'm actually talking about?

I asked for case law because that would give me evidence that this actually happened. That's because it can't happen. That's because you're dead wrong:

https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2007530-how-the-eu-ca...

"While we don’t yet have U.S.-EU negotiated civil enforcement mechanisms for the GDPR (and it is unknown whether we ever will), there is still the application of international law and potential cooperation agreements between U.S. and EU law enforcement agencies, which have been increasing in recent years."

That's politician for "We have absolutely no recourse if the company doesn't have an established business in the EU."

EDIT: That's a nice article. It goes to explain that if a company has no presence in the EU, it has to identify an agent in the EU to act on its behalf. So any company can simply NOT do this if they never intend to have EU offices and the EU has no recourse.

Re: Things to know about the GDPR, Mozilla and Firefox

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Post by jhall1468 »

Xylakant wrote: post #25
jhall1468 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show me case law where an EU government fined a US company and how they enforced payment of that fine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp_v_Commission

That's not an example of what I asked for. Microsoft had offices in the EU when this case started, which made them an EU company for all intents and purposes.

Re: Things to know about the GDPR, Mozilla and Firefox

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Post by jhall1468 »

daxorid wrote: post #13
bausshf wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can.

Care to elaborate? In which US court does the EU have standing to bring suit against a US citizen or corporation for violation of regulations the US does not recognize by either law or treaty?

Yeah, you aren't going to get what you asked for. There are no civil enforcement agreements between the EU and the US so they can do exactly nothing.
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