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Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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> Earlier this month, Facebook Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg told Reuters in an interview that his company would apply the EU law globally “in spirit,” How would they apply the law? They can't be prosecuted if they fail to uphold the same law. Saying "we'll apply the law in spirit" is just moral posturing IMO.

Asking them to apply an EU law globally is posturing as well. Both the question and answer are nonsensical.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would the US congress want Facebook to go out of their way to maximise their liability to a piece of legislation intended to cripple US corporations and supplement EU budgets with US corporate profits?! Congress should convene a hearing about how current and incoming EU laws are thinly veiled protectionism against US corporations and what should be done about it.

Facebook might be known as a US company, but they pay taxes in Ireland (amongst other low tax territories) and hold most of their assets there to avoid paying taxes in US.

Not since the new tax code went into effect, but what does that has to do with anything?

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would the US congress want Facebook to go out of their way to maximise their liability to a piece of legislation intended to cripple US corporations and supplement EU budgets with US corporate profits?! Congress should convene a hearing about how current and incoming EU laws are thinly veiled protectionism against US corporations and what should be done about it.

It is not US corporate profits when it is from advertisements bought by Europeans for Europeans. Would you also suggest that the EU should not tax those profits?

It's US corporate profit since they are profits (revenue - expenses) made by a US corporation. This is not a tax law, what are you talking about?

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would the US congress want Facebook to go out of their way to maximise their liability to a piece of legislation intended to cripple US corporations and supplement EU budgets with US corporate profits?! Congress should convene a hearing about how current and incoming EU laws are thinly veiled protectionism against US corporations and what should be done about it.

Are you certain it’s protectionism and not simply believing human beings have a right to privacy?

Privacy rights are well protected as it is, despite what the technophobic anti-corporate maximalists would argue, this law is about limiting and controlling what american companies can do on their platforms, it limits research and puts a roadblock in front of every data point with the threat of unconscionable fines on worldwide revenue which shouldn't be allowed under international treaties.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Zuckerberg went to Congress and told them Facebook would support GDPR, as if the only thing GDPR is are just some controls you'd do at the user interface level (and as we learned today, that they're attempting to get around with dark pattern designs [1]). GDPR is much more comprehensive than that, but most importantly it gives data privacy regulators real teeth to enforce with (fines up to 4% of global revenue). The…

Why would the US congress want Facebook to go out of their way to maximise their liability to a piece of legislation intended to cripple US corporations and supplement EU budgets with US corporate profits?! Congress should convene a hearing about how current and incoming EU laws are thinly veiled protectionism against US corporations and what should be done about it.

I have to disagree. As someone who is grappling with the impact of these laws on US business I'm acutely aware of the non-existent privacy we all have and how our information is abused and resold.

The GDPR, while a pain, are a response to decades of an industry that should have known better.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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It would be corporate malpractice if they were not to do that, this way they limit their exposure to the exuberant fines and any other unintended consequences of this anti-american piece of legislation.

It is not anti-American (its not all about you), its pro-privacy.

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I see it written there but that doesn't mean its enforceable.

Yeah, I'm skeptical of the EU's ability to enforce their laws on someone outside of the EU (citizen or not) with a business outside of the EU.

Not impossible, but unlikely.

There are enough businesses that have dealings in the EU that they need to be compliant.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Zuckerberg went to Congress and told them Facebook would support GDPR, as if the only thing GDPR is are just some controls you'd do at the user interface level (and as we learned today, that they're attempting to get around with dark pattern designs [1]). GDPR is much more comprehensive than that, but most importantly it gives data privacy regulators real teeth to enforce with (fines up to 4% of global revenue). The…

Why would the US congress want Facebook to go out of their way to maximise their liability to a piece of legislation intended to cripple US corporations and supplement EU budgets with US corporate profits?! Congress should convene a hearing about how current and incoming EU laws are thinly veiled protectionism against US corporations and what should be done about it.

Oh horseshit.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Zuckerberg went to Congress and told them Facebook would support GDPR, as if the only thing GDPR is are just some controls you'd do at the user interface level (and as we learned today, that they're attempting to get around with dark pattern designs [1]). GDPR is much more comprehensive than that, but most importantly it gives data privacy regulators real teeth to enforce with (fines up to 4% of global revenue). The…

Why would the US congress want Facebook to go out of their way to maximise their liability to a piece of legislation intended to cripple US corporations and supplement EU budgets with US corporate profits?! Congress should convene a hearing about how current and incoming EU laws are thinly veiled protectionism against US corporations and what should be done about it.

"piece of legislation intended to cripple US corporations and supplement EU budgets with US corporate profits".

The most ignorant fucking statement I have read on HN in a long time. The 2016 GDPR is an update to the 2002 EU Data Protection Regulation. It has nothing to do with taxes, profits or crippling any company. It is an enforcement of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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So, does GDPR applies to ?: - European citizens only currently living in the EU ? - European citizens worldwide ? - Everyone currently living in the EU ? As a European living in the US, I'm wondering.

Not a lawyer, but I've spoken to many on the subject.

Consensus appears to be that if you are physically present in the legal jurisdiction of the EU, and not a tourist, it applies.

That said, its recognizes that there are situations that are impossible to account for completely (wifi on flights, VPNs, airports, etc.)

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