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Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

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Re: Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

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Post by EliRivers »

fdsak wrote: post #19
EliRivers wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to a private talk in the last few days presented by an experienced member of the UK Foreign Office; said speaker regularly advises ministers and the Foreign Minister. The question of Russia came up very strongly, and as I understand it (everything that follows is effectively what that speaker said) the feeling is that they're going to just keep doing things, testing the limits, seeing what they can do without…

How you believe that behind those CWs it was Russian ? In last few Decades we have not found a single truth from Western so-called civilized leadership, all lies, straight. Just take the example of WMD. Even this time if its truth that Russia is behind those CW, let it be because they lied to international community in the past so blatantly that all their words look lies.Its time West should pay to what they have don…

Its time West should pay to what they have done to Iraq, Libya, Syria and elsewhere.

Murdering ex-spies on the streets of Salisbury with chemical weapons certainly seems like the appropriate response, yes. Although interesting to see that it was the Swedes who did it, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry.

It's an interesting double-game they play; Russia needs people to know it was them, but they also need to be able to deny it.

Re: Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

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Post by fdsak »

icebraining wrote: post #14
WHoWHo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like the US is carrying out repeated war crimes and the West does nothing - or the "East" for that matter. If something goes to court in the US if it even does, punishment is light [2] and pushed down to the lowest levels (Lynndie England got 2 years [1]). Or pushed by the president (Drone kills without a declaration of war). If you have nuclear weapons and a large defence budget, you can do whatever you like to othe…

Drone kills without a declaration of war That's not a war crime in itself.

That's not a war crime in itself.

Do you want to be get hurt by it ? I am not suggesting, but that is still killing and trespassing international boundaries .

Re: Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

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Post by EliRivers »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #17
EliRivers wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to a private talk in the last few days presented by an experienced member of the UK Foreign Office; said speaker regularly advises ministers and the Foreign Minister. The question of Russia came up very strongly, and as I understand it (everything that follows is effectively what that speaker said) the feeling is that they're going to just keep doing things, testing the limits, seeing what they can do without…

But to what end? What is their endgame? The USSR testing boundaries in the Cold War made sense because they needed real data for their concrete plans to cross the Rhine and conquer Western Europe - that’s what the Cold War was all about! Now it’s 2018 and I know Russia has lost their designs on Germany and France and seem primarily motivated to maintain a buffer territory, but testing limits is only going to move Rus…

Again, going on the opinions of others (who are in positions such that they should know, but ultimately it's all opinion) a lot of it (by no means all) is about prestige and being seen and respected as a world power again. Which is not just for show; if people respect you as a world power, they are far more likely to do what you want.

Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia was made a number of promises that really weren't kept (for example, about how far NATO would wander into Eastern Europe) and when Russia objected, they were ignored. The very significant modernisation of their military and the recent adventurism is part of that. Nobody is ignoring Russia anymore.

They did play by the rules; it got them side-lined and ignored, promises broken.

Re: Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

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Post by fdsak »

EliRivers wrote: post #21
fdsak wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How you believe that behind those CWs it was Russian ? In last few Decades we have not found a single truth from Western so-called civilized leadership, all lies, straight. Just take the example of WMD. Even this time if its truth that Russia is behind those CW, let it be because they lied to international community in the past so blatantly that all their words look lies.Its time West should pay to what they have don…

Its time West should pay to what they have done to Iraq, Libya, Syria and elsewhere. Murdering ex-spies on the streets of Salisbury with chemical weapons certainly seems like the appropriate response, yes. Although interesting to see that it was the Swedes who did it, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry. It's an interesting double-game they play; Russia needs people to know it was them, but they also need to be…

Murdering ex-spies on the streets of Salisbury with chemical weapons certainly seems like the appropriate response, yes.

Its not appropriate response, that is way everyone is skeptical. Why use a missile when you can kill the bird with a slingshot ?

Re: Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

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Post by EliRivers »

fdsak wrote: post #24
EliRivers wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its time West should pay to what they have done to Iraq, Libya, Syria and elsewhere. Murdering ex-spies on the streets of Salisbury with chemical weapons certainly seems like the appropriate response, yes. Although interesting to see that it was the Swedes who did it, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry. It's an interesting double-game they play; Russia needs people to know it was them, but they also need to be…

Murdering ex-spies on the streets of Salisbury with chemical weapons certainly seems like the appropriate response, yes. Its not appropriate response, that is way everyone is skeptical. Why use a missile when you can kill the bird with a slingshot ?

Its not appropriate response, that is way everyone is skeptical.

Ah, I see. You're derailing the conversation. You've tried to change it to "because murdering an ex-spy with a chemical weapon on the streets of Salisbury is not an appropriate response to the West's actions in the middle east, it can't have been Russia who did it."

You've been rumbled. Jog on.

Re: Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

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Post by hollerith »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #17
EliRivers wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to a private talk in the last few days presented by an experienced member of the UK Foreign Office; said speaker regularly advises ministers and the Foreign Minister. The question of Russia came up very strongly, and as I understand it (everything that follows is effectively what that speaker said) the feeling is that they're going to just keep doing things, testing the limits, seeing what they can do without…

But to what end? What is their endgame? The USSR testing boundaries in the Cold War made sense because they needed real data for their concrete plans to cross the Rhine and conquer Western Europe - that’s what the Cold War was all about! Now it’s 2018 and I know Russia has lost their designs on Germany and France and seem primarily motivated to maintain a buffer territory, but testing limits is only going to move Rus…

The leadership of Russia might be worried that the same techniques used by Western NGOs to depose the leadership of the Ukraine in 2014 will be used to depose them. The endgame might be that they remain in control of the government of Russia.

Re: Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

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Post by icebraining »

bobuk wrote: post #10

doctor have used skype and whatsapp for sending very private information about his patients. This is the most important part of the article. So now we have all this GDPR and doctors who's openly share personal information through skype at the same time.

I don't think the GDPR applies to underground Syrian hospitals.

Re: Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

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Post by EliRivers »

hollerith wrote: post #26
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But to what end? What is their endgame? The USSR testing boundaries in the Cold War made sense because they needed real data for their concrete plans to cross the Rhine and conquer Western Europe - that’s what the Cold War was all about! Now it’s 2018 and I know Russia has lost their designs on Germany and France and seem primarily motivated to maintain a buffer territory, but testing limits is only going to move Rus…

The leadership of Russia might be worried that the same techniques used by Western NGOs to depose the leadership of the Ukraine in 2014 will be used to depose them. The endgame might be that they remain in control of the government of Russia.

I believe (but of course cannot prove) you underestimate Putin. Real political threats get neutered (Alexei Navalny et al), tame opposition parties get induldged. The West is by no means sweetness and light in their attitude towards and dealings with Russia, but foment a revolution in Russia through the use of NGOs? Fantasyland.

Re: Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

knowThySelfx wrote: post #15
arcticfox wrote: post #4

> The hospital had been bombed at least 17 times, but Mr Nott believes that the only way that they could have got the precise co-ordinates of the operating theatre was through his method of directing the operation. This article seems like total baloney to me. A hospital gets bombed for the 18th time and a doctor thinks it can only happen because his Skype got hacked? (Of course, the more compelling story is that Russ…

Slightly off topic, but still relevant to Syria. Makes one wonder why ISIS never attacked their sworn enemies (Israel). In fact once they accidentally attacked and apologized. Now which militant org does that. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-is...

Because fighting with several enemies at once is the sure way to lose a war?

Re: Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

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Post by fdsak »

EliRivers wrote: post #25
fdsak wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Murdering ex-spies on the streets of Salisbury with chemical weapons certainly seems like the appropriate response, yes. Its not appropriate response, that is way everyone is skeptical. Why use a missile when you can kill the bird with a slingshot ?

Its not appropriate response, that is way everyone is skeptical. Ah, I see. You're derailing the conversation. You've tried to change it to "because murdering an ex-spy with a chemical weapon on the streets of Salisbury is not an appropriate response to the West's actions in the middle east, it can't have been Russia who did it." You've been rumbled. Jog on.

You've been rumbled. Jog on

My argument was two pronged.

1) UK lied in several cases or most of the cases and now UK==lier so Once a lier always a lier

2) Its not me or Russian who rumbled , but instead it is and it was West( France in case of Libya, UK in case of Iraq, US in case of Syria) has be rumbled.

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