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Re: Save the CR100

#21

Post by amiga-workbench »

I'm getting really sick of appliances depending on smartphone apps, they're brittle as hell and have no longevity as OS updates kill them off (and eventually as mobile OS's die completely).

I had a right faff on finding a IP security cam that didn't use the bloody awful onVIF protocol and would connect to a network without a mobile app to configure it. I take care of remote access myself, so I don't need the "feature" of having my video streams routed through a server in china so I can view it on the go.

I had the same issue with RGB lighting controllers for my shelving and bookcase, in the end I had to settle on a ESP8266 based controller and figure out the protocol with wireshark, I now have some of my lighting operable from a webpage on my home server.

I really wish there were a decent, privacy respecting hub that could be used for controlling all of this kind of gear.

Re: Save the CR100

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Post by IntelMiner »

amiga-workbench wrote: post #21

I'm getting really sick of appliances depending on smartphone apps, they're brittle as hell and have no longevity as OS updates kill them off (and eventually as mobile OS's die completely). I had a right faff on finding a IP security cam that didn't use the bloody awful onVIF protocol and would connect to a network without a mobile app to configure it. I take care of remote access myself, so I don't need the "feature…

Would you be able to point us in the direction of the gear you ended up using for your DIY-ish RGB lighting?

I'd love to do something similar in my own home

Re: Save the CR100

#23

Post by meschi »

egeozcan wrote: post #19

As far as I understand, it all works in the local network. It shouldn't be too hard to create a server to translate its calls to the new api (that the smartphone app uses), no? edit: I don't understand why you'd down-vote this. I'd love to correct it if I said something blatantly wrong, just tell me. Also, I wasn't dismissing this as a non-problem, but rather questioning if there'd be an easy solution. My parents are…

Yes, but i don't think this is an option for the people complaining.

Re: Save the CR100

#24

Post by jasonvorhe »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #15

I’m against bricking devices arbitrarily, but this product was more than 12 years old and hadn’t been sold since 2009 (I had one in 2006 when I was still in college and Sonos’s killer feature for me was that it worked with the original streaming music service, Rhapsody). Frankly, giving customers $100 credit seems kind to me. Plus the CR200 still works and they don’t have plans to brick it, so there is that. I feel f…

Thanks for posting this. I fully agree.

Re: Save the CR100

#25

Post by amiga-workbench »

IntelMiner wrote: post #22
amiga-workbench wrote: post #21

I'm getting really sick of appliances depending on smartphone apps, they're brittle as hell and have no longevity as OS updates kill them off (and eventually as mobile OS's die completely). I had a right faff on finding a IP security cam that didn't use the bloody awful onVIF protocol and would connect to a network without a mobile app to configure it. I take care of remote access myself, so I don't need the "feature…

Would you be able to point us in the direction of the gear you ended up using for your DIY-ish RGB lighting? I'd love to do something similar in my own home

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222734901758

Its one of these, unfortunately you still need the app to get it to connect to your network, but from then on you can fire packets at it to change the colours.

There is a python library up on github for interfacing with it, and I think there might be alternate firmware for its microcontroller available.

I really wish more of this home automation gear would use powerline networking, no need to faff around with WiFi settings.

Re: Save the CR100

#26

Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #15

I’m against bricking devices arbitrarily, but this product was more than 12 years old and hadn’t been sold since 2009 (I had one in 2006 when I was still in college and Sonos’s killer feature for me was that it worked with the original streaming music service, Rhapsody). Frankly, giving customers $100 credit seems kind to me. Plus the CR200 still works and they don’t have plans to brick it, so there is that. I feel f…

I think what we're trying to rail against here is that why should 13, or whatever, years be an acceptable figure.

My car is older than that. My toaster over is old, I've had CRT TVs that were much older before they died.

I'm gonna go with a big fat juicy 'No!' here. We ought to be building for longevity and serviceability. Don't end support, just open it up. Publish the relevant source code, documentation etc.

We shouldn't accept that it's ok or normal to dispose of a thing just because it is X years old.

Re: Save the CR100

#27

Post by egeozcan »

meschi wrote: post #23
egeozcan wrote: post #19

As far as I understand, it all works in the local network. It shouldn't be too hard to create a server to translate its calls to the new api (that the smartphone app uses), no? edit: I don't understand why you'd down-vote this. I'd love to correct it if I said something blatantly wrong, just tell me. Also, I wasn't dismissing this as a non-problem, but rather questioning if there'd be an easy solution. My parents are…

Yes, but i don't think this is an option for the people complaining.

I was asking to see if there's anything I'm missing. I was thinking about doing this myself. Sorry for not being clear - please see my edit.

Re: Save the CR100

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Post by alerighi »

icebraining wrote: post #13
duncan_bayne wrote: post #7

... and once again, Stallman (and the FSF) are proved right. https://xkcd.com/743/ If you buy into a proprietary ecosystem, especially a DRM-encumbered one, and doubly-especially a streaming one, don't be surprised when the inevitable happens and your non-ownership of any part of the system bites you. I speak from personal experience. I lost some of my small Kobo library when they dropped support for their Web reader…

I'm an FSF supporter (technically FSFE), but I think we should be careful about these claims. It's not like open source projects never drop features. You could say "yeah, but they wouldn't be forced to upgrade" - but neither are the users in this case, as the reply says. What the users here want is to continue getting the new features and fixes of the new versions of firmware, while keeping support for the CR100. Eve…

With free software no one can shut down a service like they are doing. A product will continue to function and it will continue to receive updates as long as there is enough interest by the open source community in that product.

Let's take for example Android smartphone, there are some old smartphone that thanks to the community are still updated to the latest version of the OS, on the other side when Apple say it's done you take your outdated iPhone and toss it in the bin, no one can continue to support it.

Re: Save the CR100

#29

Post by eecc »

KyeRussell wrote: post #17
eecc wrote: post #3

The first effects of a world of end-to-end encrypted media streaming. You don’t own the content, you don’t own the hardware, you can’t play whatever you want, you just pay and go with whatever happens to be there. You can change channels like a Radio, that’s about it

Ignoring that that's an outplayed argument, it's irrelevant. This is about hardware, not about streaming services.

Well why is it irrelevant. It used to be you ditched your receiver or player when it was irreparably broken, not when Sony or Technics decided they’d had enough supporting your hardware. Here you have hardware that is useless without a software service that gets discontinued or it’s utility modified after-sale. For now users can stay on current firmware but that depends on whenever Sonos will pull a Sony PlayStation move and force an update to continue access to DRM’d music

Re: Save the CR100

#30

Post by bambax »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #15

I’m against bricking devices arbitrarily, but this product was more than 12 years old and hadn’t been sold since 2009 (I had one in 2006 when I was still in college and Sonos’s killer feature for me was that it worked with the original streaming music service, Rhapsody). Frankly, giving customers $100 credit seems kind to me. Plus the CR200 still works and they don’t have plans to brick it, so there is that. I feel f…

I use audio devices (amps, etc.) that are over 30 years old and work flawlessly. Why should "connected" systems be any different??
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