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Max Ogden steps down as Dat project lead over sex abuse allegations

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Re: Max Ogden steps down as Dat project lead over sex abuse allegations

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Hacker News is meant to be a sort of non-political oasis, which I apppreciate and which helps to greatly improve the quality of discussion and the content. Their moderation does a wonderful job killing stories where the discussion devolves into sewer.

Unfortunately, increasingly, politics are bleeding into tech in a way that is unavoidable and very, very questionable and upsetting.

What deeply concerns me about this particular story is it really looks a case of a consensual relationship ending under the standard circumstances that consensual relationships end.

People don’t want to have sex with each other, they start being less civil to one another. People get angry and break up after personal disputes. Someone doesn’t do the laundry and dishes as much as they should. Then people fight.

Are those people now “victims” and “abusers?” I am very not ok with this terminology being used this way.

This is not a good precedent. In the last three months, a friend of mine who I deeply love was falsely accused of sexist behavior because he nearly had a nervous breakdown from working with a member of the opposite sex and asked that she be removed from his project. She then turned around and filed a harassment complaint with HR when SHE was harassing HIM!

You are not a victim if your relationship ends under standard circumstances. I am sorry, you are not. That is an expected part of being in a relationship: People do not get along sometimes.

People should not get thrown out of their projects for this. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

I read Max’s statement, the tweets sent by his accuser and the community statement and didn’t see anything to the contrary.

Did he hit her? No. Did he rape her? No. Did he call her names? Didn’t see a mention of it. Where the police called? No. Restraining order? No. Racism? no. Sexism? no. Death threats? no.

So where is the beef here?

Just a vague accusation of “sexual controlling.” What the hell does that mean? He wanted to have sex with his girlfriend more than she felt comfortable with? That isn’t abuse, sorry. It’s grounds for ending a relationship, sure.

What this is doing is setting a precedent for hyper sensitivity and the weaponization of #MeToo in tech.

From the available evidence it looks like a standard relationship that didn’t work out.

Happy to change my opinion if more evidence comes out, right now this looks like a drive by reputation shooting.

Re: Max Ogden steps down as Dat project lead over sex abuse allegations

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Hacker News is meant to be a sort of non-political oasis, which I apppreciate and which helps to greatly improve the quality of discussion and the content. Their moderation does a wonderful job killing stories where the discussion devolves into sewer. Unfortunately, increasingly, politics are bleeding into tech in a way that is unavoidable and very, very questionable and upsetting. What deeply concerns me about this…

Not knowing the details, I would say that if both parties agree that behavior was abusive, it was abusive. There's no reason for anyone else to second guess at that point.

Re: Max Ogden steps down as Dat project lead over sex abuse allegations

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Hacker News is meant to be a sort of non-political oasis, which I apppreciate and which helps to greatly improve the quality of discussion and the content. Their moderation does a wonderful job killing stories where the discussion devolves into sewer. Unfortunately, increasingly, politics are bleeding into tech in a way that is unavoidable and very, very questionable and upsetting. What deeply concerns me about this…

I don't understand why can't we leave crimes to the police. It's like people don't see that this is mob justice, which we deemed a horrible practice a long time ago, seems though that we are getting back to it.

Re: Max Ogden steps down as Dat project lead over sex abuse allegations

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Why do people keep apologizing publicly? Do they actually think that helps? For all you guys that are interested in a key insight: once dealing w accusations of abuse the worse response you can have (regarding your personal career) is to apologize publicly. Fight or stay silent.

I don't get why this type of comment gets down-voted. It's just hypothetical and maybe it's an interesting point of discussion. The situation is probably much more complex than anyone can imagine. We don't actually know any of the details of what happened.

(It's getting down voted because that comment is adovcating for a culture where men never hold themselves publicly accountable for bad actions, thus perpetuating the same old screwed up power dynamic. It is not an interesting perspective.)
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