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Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by jordache »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #17

I have a Macbook that still runs Mavericks and I'm quite happy with it. I know it sounds conspiratorial but I've never been able to shake the forced obsolescence tag when it comes to Apple. I have a laptop. It works very well. I don't feel the need to upgrade or update the software, because I don't want to lose functionality that works really well for me.

My mid 2013 MBA has gone through multiple upgrades and now running High Sierra. It has i3 Core and 4GB of ram. I was afraid with each upgrade that it would run like crap. I'm pleasantly surprised that it runs HS without any perceivable drop in performance

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by jmull »

This seems reasonable to me.

An automatic download that size can be an issue in certain circumstances, but why is this blogger just assuming Apple hasn’t done anything to address that? E.g., perhaps it doesn’t automatically download if you’re low on disk space. Perhaps they’ve even done something clever to determine when it might cost you download tolls and avoid it then too. I mean, if you use the internet much at all you are very likely involuntarily downloading a lot more than that in the form of ads and their associated video/audio, images, and tracking code.

At least (as the blogger mentions) it’s generally good for people to be up-to-date. It’s just reality that there are so many people who simply won’t unless it’s easy and without a little prodding.

I think people manufacture outrage at Apple for the attention it get them.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by laurent123456 »

nayuki wrote: post #13

This is not unlike Microsoft's aggressive push to automatically install Windows 10 a few years ago.

This has became the new normal it seems. Just like it's acceptable to reboot a computer without a user's permission, losing all their work (or to start it in the middle of the night and not switch it back off).

This is purely something that these companies do for their own good without any regard for the user. They probably think "What are you going to do about it? Install Ubuntu?"

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Post by wereHamster »

nerdponx wrote: post #16
manyxcxi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve got a Ubiquiti Edge Router Lite as The Router for my house. Not sure if it does exactly per-device but if you enable it, it can show traffic per host/ip, site ‘category’, etc. It’s quite a nice little piece of kit. Speed-wise,it’s also very good. It’s plugged in directly to my FiOS and I’m maxing out my 150/150.

How is it possible to tell what category a piece of traffic is?

Depends on which categories you want to have.

You can use the TCP port (http vs bittorrent vs email, or individual games which often use a well-known port for communication), deep packet inspection (eg. to distinguish between normal web and HTTP video streaming), reverse IP lookups to detect location of the remote endpoint or what company it's assigned to (through AS number for example).

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by wereHamster »

alfonsodev wrote: post #7

The entry model of MacBook Pro comes with just 250GB, I personally struggle to keep 30GB free (I need to have Android SDK and iOS SDK installed) When having less than 20GB the OS gets slow, so I usually run DaisyDisk to find what can I delete, I didn't like to find the high sierra installer there. On the side note, I didn't update to High Sierra because it seems that there are issues with XCode 9 (slow simulator) so…

The mistake here is to use an entry-level model for development ;)

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by donatj »

sarreph wrote: post #15

It is a shame to see Apple using the same tactics as iOS with macOS, which in my opinion a different beast when it comes to upgrades. I really regret upgrading to High Sierra, because — thanks to a still unfixed graphics driver issue, my 2014 rMBP reboots/lags/breaks when using the GPU. Fortunately, I managed to remedy it with a beta Nvidia driver; without a pro-user mindset, I can only imagine how many people are fr…

Out of curiosity where does one find such a driver?

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by abritinthebay »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #17

I have a Macbook that still runs Mavericks and I'm quite happy with it. I know it sounds conspiratorial but I've never been able to shake the forced obsolescence tag when it comes to Apple. I have a laptop. It works very well. I don't feel the need to upgrade or update the software, because I don't want to lose functionality that works really well for me.

Then you are missing years of security patches. Your call there but... seems like a risk

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by alsetmusic »

chris_wot wrote: post #20
frik wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like the pattern Apple is using there. But comparing it with Microsoft?!? Microsoft was a lot more aggressive and shady, and used a bunch of evil UI patterns, like installing it by clicking "Cancel" button. Or displaying a second start button that opens the shady installer instead of the start menu. macOS auto downloading is not right, but it is whole level below that. If you look at OS charts like on Steam,…

No, it’s the same really. Automatically downloading I’ve 5GB of data in the background without permission is some incredibly shady shit. There are people in Australia with data plans that this would literally still cost hundreds of dollars.

Downloading in the background is not the same as installing without warning. Yes, Apple should make the install notification more clear to prevent users from clicking blindly. That’s not the same as surreptitiously tricking users (it is possible to decline the update on macOS). These are separate griefs.
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