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How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't waste that anger. Vote left (Or at least be very careful with your preference flows) at the next election. And get everyone you can to start talking/pushing for a Royal Commission into this.

I loathe all politicians including the left wing. I just loathe the right wing more. None of them represent the citizens. They represent their own grasping self interest. And I certainly don't agree with the far left who seem to have an anti corporate/anti capitalist whiff to them ... I'm a committed capitalist AND green and they is no political party aligned to that.

So when your choice is for the worst or the less worse, vote less worse! We don't have to like it (though that'd be nice), just prefer it.

Case in point: the original plan for the NBN was vastly preferable to this scandal ;)

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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The tl;dr is that Australia started a fibre-to-the-premises project for the whole country (93% of premises, plus rural 7% on wireless), then a conservative government got in power and decided to deliberately destroy it. To do this, they changed it to fibre-to-the-node (DSL) instead. Instead of gigabit to the home, they're spending more money providing people with connections anywhere between 4mbps and 100 at the abso…

Wait, if the Conservative party decided to destroy it how is that the fault of the Liberal Party?

Because it's the same party. The Liberal Party is the name of the conservative party.

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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post #20

The tl;dr is that Australia started a fibre-to-the-premises project for the whole country (93% of premises, plus rural 7% on wireless), then a conservative government got in power and decided to deliberately destroy it. To do this, they changed it to fibre-to-the-node (DSL) instead. Instead of gigabit to the home, they're spending more money providing people with connections anywhere between 4mbps and 100 at the abso…

Wait, if the Conservative party decided to destroy it how is that the fault of the Liberal Party?

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Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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post #20

The tl;dr is that Australia started a fibre-to-the-premises project for the whole country (93% of premises, plus rural 7% on wireless), then a conservative government got in power and decided to deliberately destroy it. To do this, they changed it to fibre-to-the-node (DSL) instead. Instead of gigabit to the home, they're spending more money providing people with connections anywhere between 4mbps and 100 at the abso…

Wait, if the Conservative party decided to destroy it how is that the fault of the Liberal Party?

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Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't waste that anger. Vote left (Or at least be very careful with your preference flows) at the next election. And get everyone you can to start talking/pushing for a Royal Commission into this.

I loathe all politicians including the left wing. I just loathe the right wing more. None of them represent the citizens. They represent their own grasping self interest. And I certainly don't agree with the far left who seem to have an anti corporate/anti capitalist whiff to them ... I'm a committed capitalist AND green and they is no political party aligned to that.

We all thought Malcolm Turnbull was supposed to be exactly what you are describing.

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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post #13

By 'fit for service' they mean 12Mbps down, or average copper wire speeds. What's the point? Although the original goal was great, in hindsight it appears that it could not be delivered anywhere near the original budget. For context, after a prolonged period of centre-right government, a centre-left government was elected, led by Kevin Rudd. He had a progressive agenda, but due to a combination of his unmitigated ego…

This is an excellent summary of the situation.

There was a few major potholes in the original plan. The nobel aim was to wire up (and use satellite to augment) the majority of australia, including, critically a large part of the rural population. The appeal was to level the access for the population to high quality internet. From then on; however, it became a political football, with both parties internal reworking it and bike shedding the entire technology stack with no clue on implementation and a strong lobby from the incumbent privatised telco (Telstra) and other telcos to ensure their business is not threatened.

Bunch of muppets.

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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post #20

The tl;dr is that Australia started a fibre-to-the-premises project for the whole country (93% of premises, plus rural 7% on wireless), then a conservative government got in power and decided to deliberately destroy it. To do this, they changed it to fibre-to-the-node (DSL) instead. Instead of gigabit to the home, they're spending more money providing people with connections anywhere between 4mbps and 100 at the abso…

Wait, if the Conservative party decided to destroy it how is that the fault of the Liberal Party?

The Liberal Party of Australia is a conservative party. (The ACCC really should force them to change their name due to false advertising)

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, if the Conservative party decided to destroy it how is that the fault of the Liberal Party?

Because it's the same party. The Liberal Party is the name of the conservative party.

It's not even a misnomer to our American friends. The Australian main conservative party is more liberal than the American main liberal party.

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I loathe all politicians including the left wing. I just loathe the right wing more. None of them represent the citizens. They represent their own grasping self interest. And I certainly don't agree with the far left who seem to have an anti corporate/anti capitalist whiff to them ... I'm a committed capitalist AND green and they is no political party aligned to that.

So when your choice is for the worst or the less worse, vote less worse! We don't have to like it (though that'd be nice), just prefer it. Case in point: the original plan for the NBN was vastly preferable to this scandal ;)

I disagree about the original plan being preferable. The original NBN plan was a pipe dream in terms of cost feasibility, the rollout was aligned electoral boundaries, and the country first mentality means you get 12 megabit per second ADSL2 across from the Telstra building in the Melbourne CBD, and 100mbit in a large number of country towns.

Re: How Australia's $49B internet network came to be ridiculed

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First common mistake: Yes, Australia is geographically huge. No, it is not sparce. it is a highly urbanized economy in terms of geographic concentration of the population. Therefore, the oft-quoted extreme expense "oh, its so much more expensive to do it in OZ compared to ..." is bullshit: its not. There are of course some very expensive locations to service, but thats a USO problem. Overall, the cost of deployment of the CAN is within scale of any other urban economy. Higher than Singapore? Sure. But, comparable per head of population to NZ.

Second common mistake: The argument which led to the MTM replacing FTTP was not about technology. It was about the cost of capital works, and the economic model of recovery. Labor was stupid enough to float a mixed-economy pluralist argument hinting at a future independent non-utility model with zero cost (long term) to the government. This hung them because it allowed the Liberals to go hard on cost recovery and privatization. If the intent had been to reserve a national utility function in layers 1 and 2, and promote competition above this, we'd be in a different conversation.

That conversation was about structural separation of the former monopoly Telco. It was quashed by Labor, in a stupid reactive move. It was floated, and the banking sector indicated a preference. Reactively the union movement and Labor party moved to reject it: if the banks wanted it, it must be bad.

Talk about a huge missed opportunity.

The NZ model, by comparison is gold: structural separation. Crown holdings for the fiber. A pot of money, re-circulating to deploy to the cities, each region re-fills the pot to move to the next town. Far simpler. And.. fibre to (most) homes.

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