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Billionaire Insys founder charged in U.S. opioid bribe case

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Re: Billionaire Insys founder charged in U.S. opioid bribe case

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Post by icantdrive55 »

Why do I feel like in a few months, cancer patients will have a hard time obtaining opioids? (I saw my father die a horrid prolonged painful death due to underprescribing of opioids. I think about the pain he went through daily.)

I don't know what exactly this company did, but incentives have been around the pharmaceutical industry forever.

And no--you're not susposd to give a doctor money to remember your drug when writing that script.

My point is there are people who are successfully taking opioids. (They have good studies proving that people can successfully take opioids without having to constinstly up the dose. The one I recall reading was was done using residents of nursing homes.)

I don't want to live in a society that doesn't treat pain.

Trump just allocated a few bucks to fund a drug that 'takes the pain away, without any risk of addiction.' Good luck! Let's find the pill they have been searching for forever.

Personally, I would like to see bupenorpine provided for free to addicts. They have a generic form that's reasonable. Since we have a "National Emergency"; why do I have a feeling we could get the price lower?

If they(addicts--I guess?) abuse the gift, they are cut off.

I am so tired of politicians getting into medicine.

Re: Billionaire Insys founder charged in U.S. opioid bribe case

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Post by tuxxy »

QAPereo wrote: post #6
throwaway0255 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can choose not to buy and take opiates. I can't choose to not be murdered. Murderers are much worse, and prisons better serve their purpose when they're used for murderers and their accomplices than when they're used for white collar crime.

Spoken like someone who’s never had major surgery or trauma.

Exactly.

I know some pretty tough guys. One of which took a gunshot wound and barely needed any recovery time.

This same guy got in a car accident that ruined his back. After some surgery, he tried to not use opioid pain killers, but he described it as maddening. It's not the pain that brings you issues, it's the constant dull, aching pains that give your life grief.

He started taking prescribed opioids for it. When it came time to ween off of them, he said it was like looking into a void where he had two exceptionally clear choices: continue using opioids, or struggle to get off of them. He picked the latter and is opioid free for a few years now. He said it was the hardest thing he's ever done.

He's just happy to say that he doesn't need them anymore.

Re: Billionaire Insys founder charged in U.S. opioid bribe case

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Post by datawarrior »

tuxxy wrote: post #22
QAPereo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spoken like someone who’s never had major surgery or trauma.

Exactly. I know some pretty tough guys. One of which took a gunshot wound and barely needed any recovery time. This same guy got in a car accident that ruined his back. After some surgery, he tried to not use opioid pain killers, but he described it as maddening. It's not the pain that brings you issues, it's the constant dull, aching pains that give your life grief. He started taking prescribed opioids for it. When…

When I was 19 I messed my back up very badly on the job. The company tried very hard not to take responsibility for it, going so far as court with dueling doctors.

The fact I refused opiods for my pain was used against me, "If it's so bad why aren't you taking the pain medications?"

My lawyer told me that if I had taken them I likely would have gotten 50% more int he settlement. I don't regret it though. Addiction is a major problem in my family.

Re: Billionaire Insys founder charged in U.S. opioid bribe case

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Post by Pica_soO »

throwaway0255 wrote: post #5
kolbe wrote: post #2

At least one step in the right direction. But we're still pretty far from reaching some parity with the idea that it's often a life sentence to be driving in a car with someone who commits a murder if you're poor and black, but it's some soft white collar club fed crime to get thousands addicted to your drug, take their money, ruin their families for years and eventually take their lives.

I can choose not to buy and take opiates. I can't choose to not be murdered. Murderers are much worse, and prisons better serve their purpose when they're used for murderers and their accomplices than when they're used for white collar crime.

Would you like this new kind of aspirin? Its totally worry-free as several neutral studies will tell you? Its relative cheap and has a cool name- PuffThePinkDragon.

Re: Billionaire Insys founder charged in U.S. opioid bribe case

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Post by couchdive »

tryingagainbro wrote: post #19

...as much as 10,000 times more potent than morphine ...In the US Fentanyl caused 20,100 deaths in 2016, a rise of 540% over the past 3 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl Put him in the cell next to El Chappo IMO. If the government digs they will find something and they have plenty of tools for informers. You cannot manage a billion dollar corporation with thousands of employees by whispering while walking…

yeah and the entire FDA group that allowed this and maybe the pain center doctors who ran pill mills all over the midwest and south? Nah, they are all rich, easier to find a scapegoat, pretend your doing something, and gloat. The life of politics. Maybe declare a war on drugs!

Re: Billionaire Insys founder charged in U.S. opioid bribe case

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Post by notyourwork »

grzm wrote: post #14
notyourwork wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why this needed to be on a throwaway account?

The account you're responding to is over 3 months old, which, while not as old as some, doesn't appear to have been created purely for this conversation. There are quite a few members on HN whose accounts appear to have originally been created as a throwaway that have gone on to use it as their main account. Let's err on the side of giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Fair point - I didn't check age.

Re: Billionaire Insys founder charged in U.S. opioid bribe case

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Post by QAPereo »

tuxxy wrote: post #22
QAPereo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spoken like someone who’s never had major surgery or trauma.

Exactly. I know some pretty tough guys. One of which took a gunshot wound and barely needed any recovery time. This same guy got in a car accident that ruined his back. After some surgery, he tried to not use opioid pain killers, but he described it as maddening. It's not the pain that brings you issues, it's the constant dull, aching pains that give your life grief. He started taking prescribed opioids for it. When…

I think that future generations may look at how we were forced to deal with pain in much the way we look at pre-anesthesia surgery.

Re: Billionaire Insys founder charged in U.S. opioid bribe case

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Post by jdhawk »

datawarrior wrote: post #23
tuxxy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. I know some pretty tough guys. One of which took a gunshot wound and barely needed any recovery time. This same guy got in a car accident that ruined his back. After some surgery, he tried to not use opioid pain killers, but he described it as maddening. It's not the pain that brings you issues, it's the constant dull, aching pains that give your life grief. He started taking prescribed opioids for it. When…

When I was 19 I messed my back up very badly on the job. The company tried very hard not to take responsibility for it, going so far as court with dueling doctors. The fact I refused opiods for my pain was used against me, "If it's so bad why aren't you taking the pain medications?" My lawyer told me that if I had taken them I likely would have gotten 50% more int he settlement. I don't regret it though. Addiction is…

So always get the script, then flush them?

Re: Billionaire Insys founder charged in U.S. opioid bribe case

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Post by adventured »

couchdive wrote: post #25
tryingagainbro wrote: post #19

...as much as 10,000 times more potent than morphine ...In the US Fentanyl caused 20,100 deaths in 2016, a rise of 540% over the past 3 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl Put him in the cell next to El Chappo IMO. If the government digs they will find something and they have plenty of tools for informers. You cannot manage a billion dollar corporation with thousands of employees by whispering while walking…

yeah and the entire FDA group that allowed this and maybe the pain center doctors who ran pill mills all over the midwest and south? Nah, they are all rich, easier to find a scapegoat, pretend your doing something, and gloat. The life of politics. Maybe declare a war on drugs!

Don't forget the Congress and President that enabled it through legislation.

> Maybe declare a war on drugs!

Declare a national public health emergency. That'll surely make a dent.

"Trump declares opioid epidemic a national public health emergency"

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/politics/donald-trump-opioid-e...

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