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Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Incidents like this and that Rolling Stone article do so much damage to real victims of sexual harassment/assault.

Part of the problem is that the penalties for doing this are usually just civil. I imagine people's behavior would be very different if the next person who manufactured an allegation to attack a business competitor got a twenty-year (or even two-year) jail sentence.

Completely agree. Rape will land you jail for a long time (as it should) but rape hoaxing has almost no consequences.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Incidents like this and that Rolling Stone article do so much damage to real victims of sexual harassment/assault.

We don't know if there's an "incident like this". This is alleged by one side in a lawsuit. Hasn't been proven. I would still give the victim in this instance the benefit of the doubt. Edit: why is it all about "accusation is not the same as guilt" when a supposed anonymous woman accuses man A, but when man A accuses man B of staging the whole thing, HN believes it 100%? I apologize to fragile HN readers who see me s…

Without reading the OP, all we knew about the alleged victim is they are an anonymous blogger making claims of sexual harassment against Uzzaman.

Having read the OP, we now have actual evidence submitted to a court of law, in the form of Comcast resolving the IP of the "anonymous blogger" to the home of Brandon Katayama Hill, a business rival of Uzzaman's.

I'm not sure what doubt is left to give to the "anonymous blogger" -- unless you are thinking either the evidence submitted to the court is fabricated (a felony) or somehow an actual anonymous woman who was harassed by Uzzaman just happened to blog about it from Hill's IP address?!

The victim in this case is Uzzaman.

Moral of the story -- be highly suspicious of anything claimed by anonymous bloggers (or, by the way, anonymous sources).

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Incidents like this and that Rolling Stone article do so much damage to real victims of sexual harassment/assault.

Part of the problem is that the penalties for doing this are usually just civil. I imagine people's behavior would be very different if the next person who manufactured an allegation to attack a business competitor got a twenty-year (or even two-year) jail sentence.

I also imagine that people's behaviour would be very different if actual sexual harassment carried a twenty-year jail sentence.

It doesn't, though. Those cases are all civil.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the problem is that the penalties for doing this are usually just civil. I imagine people's behavior would be very different if the next person who manufactured an allegation to attack a business competitor got a twenty-year (or even two-year) jail sentence.

Completely agree. Rape will land you jail for a long time (as it should) but rape hoaxing has almost no consequences.

Let's suppose that false rape accusations are a wide-spread problem. They aren't, they are far rarer then actual cases of rape, but let's suppose that they are.

How exactly do you propose to deal with them, without a chilling effect on reporting real rapes? It is a crime that is notoriously hard to convict, to the point where most victims keep silent.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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What will happen to this Hill guy?

He'll end up paying millions of dollars in damages most likely not covered by insurance and might be subject to criminal charges if the State decides to prosecute

Are you a lawyer? Because this sounds like fantasy.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't know if there's an "incident like this". This is alleged by one side in a lawsuit. Hasn't been proven. I would still give the victim in this instance the benefit of the doubt. Edit: why is it all about "accusation is not the same as guilt" when a supposed anonymous woman accuses man A, but when man A accuses man B of staging the whole thing, HN believes it 100%? I apologize to fragile HN readers who see me s…

Without reading the OP, all we knew about the alleged victim is they are an anonymous blogger making claims of sexual harassment against Uzzaman. Having read the OP, we now have actual evidence submitted to a court of law, in the form of Comcast resolving the IP of the "anonymous blogger" to the home of Brandon Katayama Hill, a business rival of Uzzaman's. I'm not sure what doubt is left to give to the "anonymous blo…

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Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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That's right, no one would ever abuse an online system for blacklisting VCs accused of sexual harassment...smh https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14773434

Yeah, they're basically industrial-scale defamation without recourse, trial, or evidence. From a game-theoretic perspective, you would be wrong not to take advantage of it to burn your competitors.

If it hasn't dawned on you, this is a political strategy, not a tool for the downtrodden. I have quite literally heard people talking about these things as "the way we'll close the gender participation gap", as in, they'll burn men's careers until things equal out. As stupid as this sounds, the fact that people are thinking it is alarming.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree. Rape will land you jail for a long time (as it should) but rape hoaxing has almost no consequences.

Let's suppose that false rape accusations are a wide-spread problem. They aren't, they are far rarer then actual cases of rape, but let's suppose that they are. How exactly do you propose to deal with them, without a chilling effect on reporting real rapes? It is a crime that is notoriously hard to convict, to the point where most victims keep silent.

Speaking as someone with no legal specialization at all, I would assume it would only be for those cases where it could be proven that the false accusation was premeditated?
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