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Re: Russia threatens to block Telegram

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post #12

"if the app is banned in Russia then the government officials will entrust their communications to other countries' messengers" Nice counter :)

They could just use Matrix / Riot, since they are both fully open source and auditable on client and server.

Hell, I'd like the Russian gov't to start using Riot. Would definitely give them that security audit they need for trustability on their olm. Maybe you shouldn't trust a Russian state audit, but it just takes large users to motivate third parties to start auditing it.

Re: Russia threatens to block Telegram

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post #12

"if the app is banned in Russia then the government officials will entrust their communications to other countries' messengers" Nice counter :)

No problem, they'll just ban all the other messengers. Line and KakaoTalk are already banned. There's nothing a dictatorship hates more than communications that cannot be eavesdropped on.

Re: Russia threatens to block Telegram

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post #6

For the amount of haters telegram had when they launched for their purported security failures, it's funny that people are looking to block it instead of silently explore its flaws

Or it is just a charade to make it look like Telegram is not controlled by the kreml

Russia, of course, has a long history of disinformation and propaganda. But it seems to me like there isn't a trust problem with Telegram right now, so why is the Kremlin throwing this charade if current targets are already using Telegram and trust it? Surely it would be in their interest to lie low and (supposedly) collect data through a backdoor than risk having their bluff called and being forced to ban it?

Re: Russia threatens to block Telegram

#25

For the amount of haters telegram had when they launched for their purported security failures, it's funny that people are looking to block it instead of silently explore its flaws

"Purported"?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-cyber-telegram-exclus...

People have written academic papers about how bad Telegram's underlying crypto is.

Re: Russia threatens to block Telegram

#27

For the amount of haters telegram had when they launched for their purported security failures, it's funny that people are looking to block it instead of silently explore its flaws

I think that when it is ever a remote possibility, by hook or by crook, nation states prefer to get private firms to compromise themselves as opposed to subversively breaking into a service.

When private firms hand over data or introduce backdoors on behalf of their gov't, the gov't now has political cover and it's easy to make the bad guy the firm the bad guy.

"We just asked for the data, and they complied." v. "We came, We saw, We stole your data"

Re: Russia threatens to block Telegram

#28

For the amount of haters telegram had when they launched for their purported security failures, it's funny that people are looking to block it instead of silently explore its flaws

> purported security failures

> people are looking to block it instead of silently explore its flaws

This is not a good heuristic for determining if security failures are "purported."

In point of fact, Telegram is widely lampooned by every self-respecting professional cryptographer who has written about it. There's nothing "purported" about Telegram's security failures - they are empirically demonstrable, and have been exposed through multiple cryptanalytic reviews.[1][2]

Frankly, I don't think I've ever seen anyone defend Telegram here on HN who actually has professional crypto experience (whether academia or industry), or any other similar proxy for credibility in the field. The popular contention is that (poor, harmless) Telegram is plagued by a persistent astroturfing campaign perpetrated by the likes of Moxie Marlinspike and Thomas Ptacek in order to elevate Signal's status. That's:

1) not true, in my opinion (though to be fair at least one of those people is obviously biased); and

2) irrelevant, because we have the benefit of empirical rigor to instruct our opinions of secure messaging systems. We don't need to rely on infosec ideologues on HN or Twitter.

Telegram is very much like climate change. There is a widespread consensus among the informed (read: academic and professional cryptographers) that Telegram's security failures exist, and that these failures are empirically demonstrable. At the same time, there is a controversy led almost entirely by the uninformed (read: non-cryptographers) that denies Telegram's security failures and undermines attempts at demonstrating them through accusations of shilling or misdirection.

To put it very succinctly: there are no valid arguments that Telegram has an optimal security model from the perspective of cryptanalysis and cryptographic design best practices.

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1. https://www.alexrad.me/discourse/a-264-attack-on-telegram-an...

2. https://cs.au.dk/~jakjak/master-thesis.pdf

Re: Russia threatens to block Telegram

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post #23
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it is just a charade to make it look like Telegram is not controlled by the kreml

Russia, of course, has a long history of disinformation and propaganda. But it seems to me like there isn't a trust problem with Telegram right now, so why is the Kremlin throwing this charade if current targets are already using Telegram and trust it? Surely it would be in their interest to lie low and (supposedly) collect data through a backdoor than risk having their bluff called and being forced to ban it?

So that more activists will turn towards using Telegram actively.

Re: Russia threatens to block Telegram

#30
post #25

For the amount of haters telegram had when they launched for their purported security failures, it's funny that people are looking to block it instead of silently explore its flaws

"Purported"? http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-cyber-telegram-exclus... People have written academic papers about how bad Telegram's underlying crypto is.

Someone needs to publish an exploit, how come I have never seen a single one yet
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