Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women • Hacker News Board

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by walterstucco » Mon, Jun 12, 2017, 6:28 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #7

walterstucco wrote: post #6

Meanwhile men can tell the same stories of harassment, under payment and stalled careers but nobody cares because, you know, they kinda deserve it for being men. I won't deny there is a problem in the valley, that's why I stayed in Europe, but the narrative men Vs women is wrong, US media should explore the fact that the whole American dream is about being abusive. Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite! All of which are Am…

This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!

> edit: Ok you guys, s/insults/flamebait/ above. Late night moderation slip on my part!

an "I am sorry" would have sufficed

I've made no flamebait nor insulted anyone or any country

I've just said don't make this "men VS women" because it's powerful men and women chasing the "american dream" abusing of less powerful men and women that are trying to make a living

The only flamebait here was your comment

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by walterstucco » Mon, Jun 12, 2017, 6:31 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #19

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not insulting any gender. Also I think your bar for a "nationalistic insult" is a little low - all countries are open to criticism.

You're right, "insults" was the wrong word. A better word is "flamebait". The last thing we need here is more drive-by gender flamewarrage, and when accounts do this repeatedly (as this one has), we ban them. Hence the warning.

> drive-by gender flamewarrage

if you haven't noticed, that was my point

it's no gender war

it's a cultural problem, competition taken to extremes can't end well

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by dang » Mon, Jun 12, 2017, 8:34 PM UTC

walterstucco wrote: post #21

dang wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!

> edit: Ok you guys, s/insults/flamebait/ above. Late night moderation slip on my part! an "I am sorry" would have sufficed I've made no flamebait nor insulted anyone or any country I've just said don't make this "men VS women" because it's powerful men and women chasing the "american dream" abusing of less powerful men and women that are trying to make a living The only flamebait here was your comment

Actually you've done this flamebait thing repeatedly:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14534396

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14534306

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14506129

This is not at all what HN is for. Such comments amount to trolling whether you intend to or not. We have enough trouble with flamewars already without people casually flinging lit matches into parched forests.

We've warned you twice now. If you don't change your comments to adhere to the community guidelines (i.e. to post civilly and substantively, or not at all), we will assume you don't want to use the site as intended and ban you. If you do want to use the site as intended, please (re)-read the following:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by jbmorgado » Mon, Jun 12, 2017, 9:57 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #7

walterstucco wrote: post #6

Meanwhile men can tell the same stories of harassment, under payment and stalled careers but nobody cares because, you know, they kinda deserve it for being men. I won't deny there is a problem in the valley, that's why I stayed in Europe, but the narrative men Vs women is wrong, US media should explore the fact that the whole American dream is about being abusive. Hypocrisy! Brutality! The elite! All of which are Am…

This is a terrible HN comment that manages to combine gender flamebait with nationalistic flamebait. If you post like this again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/. Late-night misstep!

> "Edit: Ok you guys, point taken, s/insults/flamebait/ above. Late-night misstep!"

Perhaps you should calm down a bit instead of constantly policing HN for thought-crime.

There is a difference between moderating and constantly shutting down everyone that doesn't agree with your strict views of the world (i.e. what you've just did) while giving a stage to the ones that propagate your ideology (i.e. those flags you keep removing from opinionated and non factual posts).

Re: Silicon Valley's dirty little secret: The way it treats women

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Post by Chris2048 » Tue, Jun 13, 2017, 10:21 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #23

walterstucco wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> edit: Ok you guys, s/insults/flamebait/ above. Late night moderation slip on my part! an "I am sorry" would have sufficed I've made no flamebait nor insulted anyone or any country I've just said don't make this "men VS women" because it's powerful men and women chasing the "american dream" abusing of less powerful men and women that are trying to make a living The only flamebait here was your comment

Actually you've done this flamebait thing repeatedly: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14534396 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14534306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14506129 This is not at all what HN is for. Such comments amount to trolling whether you intend to or not. We have enough trouble with flamewars already without people casually flinging lit matches into parched forests. We've warned you…

I agree that walterstucco's comments on such a topic are unsunstanciaive and overly dismissive.

However, I think that last comment should be taken in context with what it is replying to. Maybe a rule should be added to the guidelines:

"If you flag or downvote a comment for being uncivil, do not reply to it in kind"