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Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by pavs »

jacquesm wrote: post #6
awolf wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The poor logic originates from the techcrunch headline... Not what Steve Jobs said. >“People seem to be liking the iPad,” Jobs said to laughs and applause. “We’ve sold one every three seconds since we launched it,” he added.

Check the title here: > Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds If they attribute that to Steve Jobs then he has either said it or TC is completely out to lunch on this one.

Did you just recently started reading TC? They are synonymous to hyperbolic, sensationalist, out-right lying, drama-mill. They are a sorry excuse of a tech blog.

Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by ahk »

10ren wrote: post #19

> Jobs: Adobe had a chance to get Flash on their devices, but came up short. > Jobs: this removal of Flash was simply the latest in a series of moves Apple has always taken to stay ahead of the curve. Seems inconsistent.

How so? If you've invested some amount of resources in something but it didn't work out, the best move is to cut your losses and move on.

Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by derefr »

jacquesm wrote: post #12
ugh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, Apple makes tons of money with the iPad which means you can be hugly succesful with web-centric tablets even if they don’t have Flash. That’s all that matters to Apple. The iPad is a success, isn’t it? That suggests that Flash is not such a important thing.

That's fine with me. But you can't extrapolate that in to 'votes' for flash or against flash as the title suggests. That's just plain nonsense. Just like every device sold that does support flash is not a vote for flash so every ipad sold is not a vote against flash. Flash simply doesn't factor in, if it does then someone should do the research and figure out how many people decided to buy a competing product because…

> That's fine with me. But you can't extrapolate that in to 'votes' for flash or against flash as the title suggests.

Well, yes, you can—Bayesian inference is a bit strange, but it does work. When people buy an iPad, that means that they're not spending that money on everything that isn't an iPad. This means that all the features the iPad has—a touchscreen, for one example—should be trained positively in any mental model of consumer-spending as a result, and all the things it lacks—Flash, or an external antenna, or edibility, or airbags—should be trained negatively.

Of course, it's a very small vote, and completely outweighed by the dollars-per-day measure of PCs and netbooks, which do have Flash as a feature. However, if people stopped buying any kind of computers other than iPads, that small vote would be enough to support "people are buying iPads because they lack Flash" as a credible hypothesis.

EDIT: I don't know what the downvote is for—I'm not saying that the title, taken on its own, is good, because it's meant to be interpreted by laymen, not statisticians. It's just that it's technically true.

Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by zweben »

codeview wrote: post #14
melling wrote: post #2

The Internet cannot be built around a plugin from one company. We are much better off taking the one step back then moving two steps forward. Soon there will be at least five good browsers that support Html5/css3. If we can get canvas support in ie9, html5 usage is going to exploded.

Internet is not built around Flash.It exists to compliment what the regular web cant (Device access, DRM enabled video etc) Have you tried running any content rich html5 app on an iPad? It rendering frame rate is so bad that it is unsable. IMHO, right now , Flash (while being a resource hog) is the best medium to deliver "engaging-rich" content on the internet.

The point is that the iPad is helping, and will continue to help, HTML5 become the new best medium for rich content. Apple isn't always concerned with using whatever is best or most practical at the moment. Sometimes they want to help along less established technologies that have the potential to be even better.

Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by 10ren »

ahk wrote: post #23
10ren wrote: post #19

> Jobs: Adobe had a chance to get Flash on their devices, but came up short. > Jobs: this removal of Flash was simply the latest in a series of moves Apple has always taken to stay ahead of the curve. Seems inconsistent.

How so? If you've invested some amount of resources in something but it didn't work out, the best move is to cut your losses and move on.

Different motivation. The reason you give differs from "staying ahead of the curve".

Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by pizzaman »

melling wrote: post #2

The Internet cannot be built around a plugin from one company. We are much better off taking the one step back then moving two steps forward. Soon there will be at least five good browsers that support Html5/css3. If we can get canvas support in ie9, html5 usage is going to exploded.

well the internet cannot be built around one guy telling us if we're allowed to watch porn. The internet is a nice space that belongs to everybody and it should stay like that.
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