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Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by ugh »

jacquesm wrote: post #10
ugh wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2 sold million iPads are quite good enough to make that point.

For all you know if it had flash on board it would have been 3 million, as long as iPads are being sold as fast as they can be produced and no investigation has been made in to how many people would consider buying an iPad if it supported flash this statement is simply false.

Look, Apple makes tons of money with the iPad which means you can be hugly succesful with web-centric tablets even if they don’t have Flash. That’s all that matters to Apple. The iPad is a success, isn’t it? That suggests that Flash is not such a important thing.

Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by jacquesm »

ugh wrote: post #11
jacquesm wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all you know if it had flash on board it would have been 3 million, as long as iPads are being sold as fast as they can be produced and no investigation has been made in to how many people would consider buying an iPad if it supported flash this statement is simply false.

Look, Apple makes tons of money with the iPad which means you can be hugly succesful with web-centric tablets even if they don’t have Flash. That’s all that matters to Apple. The iPad is a success, isn’t it? That suggests that Flash is not such a important thing.

That's fine with me. But you can't extrapolate that in to 'votes' for flash or against flash as the title suggests.

That's just plain nonsense.

Just like every device sold that does support flash is not a vote for flash so every ipad sold is not a vote against flash.

Flash simply doesn't factor in, if it does then someone should do the research and figure out how many people decided to buy a competing product because it supported flash. Only then would you be in a position to start making statements about this.

And I think after you do that research you'll find that consumers don't care, as long as their stuff 'works', the underlying tech is not interesting to them.

Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by radley »

melling wrote: post #2

The Internet cannot be built around a plugin from one company. We are much better off taking the one step back then moving two steps forward. Soon there will be at least five good browsers that support Html5/css3. If we can get canvas support in ie9, html5 usage is going to exploded.

It's like winning a race by disqualifying the champ...

Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by codeview »

melling wrote: post #2

The Internet cannot be built around a plugin from one company. We are much better off taking the one step back then moving two steps forward. Soon there will be at least five good browsers that support Html5/css3. If we can get canvas support in ie9, html5 usage is going to exploded.

Internet is not built around Flash.It exists to compliment what the regular web cant (Device access, DRM enabled video etc) Have you tried running any content rich html5 app on an iPad? It rendering frame rate is so bad that it is unsable.

IMHO, right now , Flash (while being a resource hog) is the best medium to deliver "engaging-rich" content on the internet.

Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by veemjeem »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

People are voting for flash by not buying one more iPad every 2 seconds. Really, you can't take a sold iPad as a vote against flash, besides there could be any number of people that have not bought it for the exact same reason. From a computer manufacturer you'd expect better logic.

people were voting against flash long before the iPad was around.

Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by [deleted] »

codeview wrote: post #14
melling wrote: post #2

The Internet cannot be built around a plugin from one company. We are much better off taking the one step back then moving two steps forward. Soon there will be at least five good browsers that support Html5/css3. If we can get canvas support in ie9, html5 usage is going to exploded.

Internet is not built around Flash.It exists to compliment what the regular web cant (Device access, DRM enabled video etc) Have you tried running any content rich html5 app on an iPad? It rendering frame rate is so bad that it is unsable. IMHO, right now , Flash (while being a resource hog) is the best medium to deliver "engaging-rich" content on the internet.

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Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by [deleted] »

jacquesm wrote: post #6
awolf wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The poor logic originates from the techcrunch headline... Not what Steve Jobs said. >“People seem to be liking the iPad,” Jobs said to laughs and applause. “We’ve sold one every three seconds since we launched it,” he added.

Check the title here: > Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds If they attribute that to Steve Jobs then he has either said it or TC is completely out to lunch on this one.

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Re: Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds

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Post by dieterrams »

jacquesm wrote: post #6
awolf wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The poor logic originates from the techcrunch headline... Not what Steve Jobs said. >“People seem to be liking the iPad,” Jobs said to laughs and applause. “We’ve sold one every three seconds since we launched it,” he added.

Check the title here: > Steve Jobs: People Are Voting Against Flash By Buying An iPad Every 3 Seconds If they attribute that to Steve Jobs then he has either said it or TC is completely out to lunch on this one.

Journalistic outlets frequently like to use a paraphrase of what someone said or implied as their headline. Some paraphrases are pretty accurate, while others are trash. This is the latter.

Here's transcription from Engadget:

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> 6:33PM Walt: And what... we'll move on to the next thing you don't want to talk about. What if the market says 'hey it's important enough to us...' there's some great stuff out there in Flash. What if the market says it wants it? What if people say the iPad is crippled?

> 6:34PM Steve: Well things are packages. Some things are good in a product, some things are bad. If the market tells us we're making bad choices, we'll make changes. We're just trying to make great products. We don't think this is great and we're going to leave it out. We're going to take the heat because we want to make the best product in the world for customers!

> 6:35PM Steve: If we succeed, they'll buy them! If we don't, we won't sell any. And I have to say, people seem to be liking the iPad! (huge laughs and applause)

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Nowhere in here does he imply that people are voting against Flash by buying iPads. He's saying that people seem to be buying and liking iPads even though they don't have Flash.

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