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Re: Ubuntu Unity running on Windows 10

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Post by gruez » Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 4:49 PM UTC

loeg wrote: post #19

TheCoreh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK This is not emulation or virtualization, so as long as Microsoft's implementation of the Linux kernel APIs on top of the Windows kernel is performant, and the X11 implementation is also performant, this should have native performance. Also considering the state of graphics drivers on GNU/Linux and on Windows, it wouldn't surprise me if for some specific hardware configurations, the “perceived interactive perfor…

It is syscall-level emulation. Emulation in this case doesn't mean it has to be slow. I am curious how they implemented `fork(2)`, though.

AFAIK the nt kernel already has support for forking.

Re: Ubuntu Unity running on Windows 10

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Post by stepvhen » Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 4:51 PM UTC

bluejekyll wrote: post #15

rukittenme wrote: post #3

Wow that's really cool. This is pretty close to native performance? This is a really great step for Linux on the desktop. Such an easy way to onboard people.

Not really except on the broadest definition of Linux, where Linux is ~= Unix. Linux is a kernel. GNU is the Unix environment which they are getting to explore, more specifically with the Ubuntu OS mgmt tools. Now what I don't get, and I'm not trolling here, is why would you want this? Isn't a VM a better option? I assume people using Windows want to because of the UI, not the kernel. Whereas people generally choose…

I am fairly certain this is a "syupid programmer trick" kind of thing. I don'tinagine anyone seruously using Unity within windows

Re: Ubuntu Unity running on Windows 10

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Post by milansuk » Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 4:51 PM UTC

If you like Ubuntu, just install it or use live USB/CD. It looks like Microsoft lost focus(one the most important thing in the business) and plays it on all sides.

Re: Ubuntu Unity running on Windows 10

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Post by reitanqild » Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 5:01 PM UTC

sinkasapa wrote: post #7

Windows 10 with Unity: you've got two problems now.

Depends: personally I like Windows 10 but despise Unity but I'm sure I have heard a lot off people actually like Unity as well.

Re: Ubuntu Unity running on Windows 10

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Post by freekh » Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 5:04 PM UTC

tener wrote: post #14

Cool hack, but I really prefer native Win 10 window management. The only thing superior is IMHO XMonad.

I suppose there's nothing stopping one for doing that tho? I was sitting here and thinking about trying it out with i3. If that works then it is only missing a decent pkg mgmt (in my opinion ofc), at least on the technical level. I sort of enjoy the thought that my current setup (arch) is entirely OSS and hackable though (not on a hw level ofc)... It makes me smile every time I log in :)

Re: Ubuntu Unity running on Windows 10

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel » Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 5:11 PM UTC

loeg wrote: post #19

TheCoreh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK This is not emulation or virtualization, so as long as Microsoft's implementation of the Linux kernel APIs on top of the Windows kernel is performant, and the X11 implementation is also performant, this should have native performance. Also considering the state of graphics drivers on GNU/Linux and on Windows, it wouldn't surprise me if for some specific hardware configurations, the “perceived interactive perfor…

It is syscall-level emulation. Emulation in this case doesn't mean it has to be slow. I am curious how they implemented `fork(2)`, though.

NT has support for POSIX-style forking, because it needed it in order to have a POSIX subsystem in the 1990s.

Re: Ubuntu Unity running on Windows 10

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Post by paride5745 » Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 5:17 PM UTC

skruvmejsel wrote: post #8

curiousgal wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? Why would you run Wine on Windows?

To play older Windows games that for various reasons won't run on Windows 10, for example.

Absurdly funny, but true.

Re: Ubuntu Unity running on Windows 10

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Post by TheCoreh » Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 5:17 PM UTC

stepvhen wrote: post #22

bluejekyll wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really except on the broadest definition of Linux, where Linux is ~= Unix. Linux is a kernel. GNU is the Unix environment which they are getting to explore, more specifically with the Ubuntu OS mgmt tools. Now what I don't get, and I'm not trolling here, is why would you want this? Isn't a VM a better option? I assume people using Windows want to because of the UI, not the kernel. Whereas people generally choose…

I am fairly certain this is a "syupid programmer trick" kind of thing. I don'tinagine anyone seruously using Unity within windows

It is a good stress test of the implementation

Re: Ubuntu Unity running on Windows 10

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Post by eumoria » Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 5:20 PM UTC

Sounds a little bit like slashdot in here with the pointless Microsoft/Unity hate rants. This is really awesome and I can't wait for more and more integration. This is nothing but awesome

Re: Ubuntu Unity running on Windows 10

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Post by ccallebs » Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 5:34 PM UTC

bluejekyll wrote: post #15

rukittenme wrote: post #3

Wow that's really cool. This is pretty close to native performance? This is a really great step for Linux on the desktop. Such an easy way to onboard people.

Not really except on the broadest definition of Linux, where Linux is ~= Unix. Linux is a kernel. GNU is the Unix environment which they are getting to explore, more specifically with the Ubuntu OS mgmt tools. Now what I don't get, and I'm not trolling here, is why would you want this? Isn't a VM a better option? I assume people using Windows want to because of the UI, not the kernel. Whereas people generally choose…

> Now what I don't get, and I'm not trolling here, is why would you want this? Isn't a VM a better option?

If this is indeed close to native performance, you wouldn't get anywhere close to that with a VM. I could be oblivious to some optimization techniques but Linux VM's on Windows have always performed drastically worse than native.