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VW Toys with Giving Up the U.S. Mass Market, and Dealers Fume

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Re: VW Toys with Giving Up the U.S. Mass Market, and Dealers Fume

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Being the designated mechanic for my wife's 2005 Jetta convinced me that the only reason I'd ever consider a VW was the TDI. How the hell do teeth start falling off your timing belt at 60,000 miles and 4 years? How can changing a timing belt require so many special tools? How can a car be small AND slow AND handle like crap AND get terrible fuel economy? 25mpg is pathetic. Still though, a clean diesel getting 50mpg s…

Jetta is small? Looks like a big fancy car to me. This is a small VW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Polo (and yes, nobody buys non-TDI volkswagens these days, at least not in Europe)

Jetta small? The VW Up and Lupo are small...

Re: VW Toys with Giving Up the U.S. Mass Market, and Dealers Fume

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post #11

Being the designated mechanic for my wife's 2005 Jetta convinced me that the only reason I'd ever consider a VW was the TDI. How the hell do teeth start falling off your timing belt at 60,000 miles and 4 years? How can changing a timing belt require so many special tools? How can a car be small AND slow AND handle like crap AND get terrible fuel economy? 25mpg is pathetic. Still though, a clean diesel getting 50mpg s…

Jetta is small? Looks like a big fancy car to me. This is a small VW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Polo (and yes, nobody buys non-TDI volkswagens these days, at least not in Europe)

The Polo is still fairly large in some configurations, the Fox and Up are quite a bit smaller still.

Re: VW Toys with Giving Up the U.S. Mass Market, and Dealers Fume

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The Jetta is pretty big. For some reason Americans seem to classify it as a small sedan in most articles.

Everything is bigger in Texas. I mean, America. Jetta is a compact car around here. Its just how it is. Personally speaking, I like the size of American compact cars (ie: what Europeans call mid-size). But everyone around me has a larger car than I do.

Thats quite a fascinating difference in culture/preference. Most people I know think Jettas are "too big" unless you have a family of 5 and need the extra space. Don't people find cars even bigger than that awkward to park in crowded parking lots?

Re: VW Toys with Giving Up the U.S. Mass Market, and Dealers Fume

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post #12

This may not be a bad idea, and it was a long time in making, even without the emission scandal. Ever since its decision to go mass market, quality of materials took a steep dive. They also looked very dull because engineering and production cost was putting constraints on design detailing. For the past 5 years, VW has been making cars that are duller than Toyota Camry of late 90s. They were given benefit of the doub…

I would disagree. I really like the MKV model (the one that ended in 2010). However, they really cut costs+quality on the car in the next generation to compete with the toyotas. It's a shame because they look really dull as a result.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything is bigger in Texas. I mean, America. Jetta is a compact car around here. Its just how it is. Personally speaking, I like the size of American compact cars (ie: what Europeans call mid-size). But everyone around me has a larger car than I do.

Thats quite a fascinating difference in culture/preference. Most people I know think Jettas are "too big" unless you have a family of 5 and need the extra space. Don't people find cars even bigger than that awkward to park in crowded parking lots?

I can almost fit a Jetta in the bed of my regular-sized pickup truck...

It's definitely a cultural difference - I always feel like I'm in a death trap, skimming along on the ground with no visibility, getting into a sedan or compact car.

I also grew up in an area with a high rate of moose collisions, and you do not want to see what happens when you hit one of those in a vehicle that's lower than their center of mass.

Re: VW Toys with Giving Up the U.S. Mass Market, and Dealers Fume

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post #12

This may not be a bad idea, and it was a long time in making, even without the emission scandal. Ever since its decision to go mass market, quality of materials took a steep dive. They also looked very dull because engineering and production cost was putting constraints on design detailing. For the past 5 years, VW has been making cars that are duller than Toyota Camry of late 90s. They were given benefit of the doub…

Interesting you think the recent last few year VW's are 'dull', I think they are beautiful (beauty is in the eye of the beholder).

I like the clean lines and unfussy design way more than other cars in their relevant classes (except the Lupo..not sure what happened with that one).

Re: VW Toys with Giving Up the U.S. Mass Market, and Dealers Fume

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post #12

This may not be a bad idea, and it was a long time in making, even without the emission scandal. Ever since its decision to go mass market, quality of materials took a steep dive. They also looked very dull because engineering and production cost was putting constraints on design detailing. For the past 5 years, VW has been making cars that are duller than Toyota Camry of late 90s. They were given benefit of the doub…

The American variant of the Jetta was recently a stripped down cheapened version compared to the jettas sold elsewhere.They even removed the multilink rear suspension for the US model.

I feel like the current VW lineup looks like it was made in the 1990s. The new Golf is nice, but my mkIV gti (while bloated and slow) was audi like in its quality. It also spent ever 4th month in the shop but that is largely better now.

Re: VW Toys with Giving Up the U.S. Mass Market, and Dealers Fume

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats quite a fascinating difference in culture/preference. Most people I know think Jettas are "too big" unless you have a family of 5 and need the extra space. Don't people find cars even bigger than that awkward to park in crowded parking lots?

I can almost fit a Jetta in the bed of my regular-sized pickup truck... It's definitely a cultural difference - I always feel like I'm in a death trap, skimming along on the ground with no visibility, getting into a sedan or compact car. I also grew up in an area with a high rate of moose collisions, and you do not want to see what happens when you hit one of those in a vehicle that's lower than their center of mass.

Granted. There aren't many moose in central european cities, which are VW's main market.

Re: VW Toys with Giving Up the U.S. Mass Market, and Dealers Fume

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats quite a fascinating difference in culture/preference. Most people I know think Jettas are "too big" unless you have a family of 5 and need the extra space. Don't people find cars even bigger than that awkward to park in crowded parking lots?

I can almost fit a Jetta in the bed of my regular-sized pickup truck... It's definitely a cultural difference - I always feel like I'm in a death trap, skimming along on the ground with no visibility, getting into a sedan or compact car. I also grew up in an area with a high rate of moose collisions, and you do not want to see what happens when you hit one of those in a vehicle that's lower than their center of mass.

A jetta would barely fit into my garage. If a "regular" pickup can swallow a jetta does that mean I can expect a "large" pickup to be bigger than my entire 5 bedroom house?

Re: VW Toys with Giving Up the U.S. Mass Market, and Dealers Fume

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Being the designated mechanic for my wife's 2005 Jetta convinced me that the only reason I'd ever consider a VW was the TDI. How the hell do teeth start falling off your timing belt at 60,000 miles and 4 years? How can changing a timing belt require so many special tools? How can a car be small AND slow AND handle like crap AND get terrible fuel economy? 25mpg is pathetic. Still though, a clean diesel getting 50mpg s…

I thought VW belts were pretty easy to change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQhfcdQf1QA

The similarity between vehicles is why I've stuck with Subarus, everything under a Forester looks pretty much like everything underneath an Impreza.

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