Or you can just use WIFI and turn the baseband off like I do. The cell companies are all crooks anyways (in the US), and I don't want to do business with them.
There are no secure smartphones
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#22It's good to draw attention on baseband processors, but there are technical assertions in this post that are probably not accurate (lack of auditing and the notion that you can assess the security of a whole phone system by whether or not there's an IOMMU). The systems security of modern phones is surprisingly complex. Google and Apple both care very deeply about these problems, and both have extremely capable engine…
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Re: There are no secure smartphones
#23It's good to draw attention on baseband processors, but there are technical assertions in this post that are probably not accurate (lack of auditing and the notion that you can assess the security of a whole phone system by whether or not there's an IOMMU). The systems security of modern phones is surprisingly complex. Google and Apple both care very deeply about these problems, and both have extremely capable engine…
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#24Or you can just use WIFI and turn the baseband off like I do. The cell companies are all crooks anyways (in the US), and I don't want to do business with them.
Doesn't the baseband control wifi too anyway? You should see the amount of things the SoC/baseband does.
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#25There are lots of reasons GSM won't/is hard to make work. What are the options? As more and more carriers in the USA provide wifi-dongles that are connected to 3G, maybe it's better to just do that, and move off making calls directly from your phone completely?
For example, it might make sense to buy some phone, connect it to a device (or flash it with some software) that makes it essentially a portal for phone calls of sorts, and give it sandboxed access to your network. It's significantly harder for GSM backdoors to be effective if the entire device is sandboxed right? Maybe this way, as you roam around, you can somewhat securely communicate over IP to your call-making device, and make/receive calls?
[EDIT] - Thinking about it, the suggestion is moot, since all someone would have to do is write some software to replay messages, or leak messages or some other nefarious thing, and stick it on the baseband of the device -- even if it can't damage your network it's still quite insecure.
Maybe we should just give GSM up altogether, and start trying to move ourselves (and the world) to only communicating over IP (which we have a shot at securing, assuming modern crypto isn't completely broken)? What is the situation like with completley open source wifi connectivity?
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#28The folks at http://neo900.org/ are well aware of this and that phone is designed accordingly (details at http://neo900.org/faq#privacy ). Hype-driven products like BlackPhone misrepresent their devices as being perfectly secure when this significant attack vector is completely unmitigated. On the Neo900, the modem is connected via USB (bus; there is no physical connector) which means it doesn't have DMA. There is no…
Not only is OsmocomBB incomplete, but it's illegal to use. I've heard it mentioned multiple times that the baseband and the full stack that communicates with the modem has to be verified by the FCC, in order to comply with regulation on RF bandwidth and power. Even if you got it working in your new cell phone, using it would be illegal. I'm not how true that actually is when you can flash router firmware to use illeg…
But the FCC isn't overly concerned if you're doing WiFi or Bluetooth, their area are the broad analog strokes, correct bandwidth and correct power. As such, if you use something that has the correct filters in hardware, you'll be just fine though technically breaking the law.
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#29Or you can just use WIFI and turn the baseband off like I do. The cell companies are all crooks anyways (in the US), and I don't want to do business with them.
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#30Of course the same branded (eg "Galaxy S6") has many different models for across the world, most using integrated Qualcomm chips. Honestly looking at the list of variants and thinking about the conservatism of RF and telecom regulatory regimes, you'd have to be naive to think the whole ecosystem doesn't simply exist under the control of major intelligence agencies. Communications have always been regarded as dangerous.