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Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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Aaah, Germany - the leader of privacy across the globe, the country where you're legally required to give up all your personal information in order to call someone from a prepaid phone card you just bought for 5 euro. And where you're not allowed to open up your wifi hotspot because someone might download an mp3 with it.

> give up all your personal information in order to call someone from a prepaid phone card you just bought for 5 euro. That is flat out untrue. I actually was surprised how easy it was to get prepaid SIM cards (just buy them at any shop/gas station, no info/ID required), load and use them however and whenever I want (also 15 Euros for 5GB 3G and works in USB data sticks, pretty nice). Illegal to have open Wifi, that…

>(just buy them at any shop/gas station, no info/ID required

By law, they have to request your name, adress and DOB before you can activate the card (usually not done in store, but online at home). They don't need to validate them though (no ID required) and it's not illegal to make false statements :).

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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"In Germany there is no law that could force us to submit to a gag order or to implement a backdoor." meanwhile "Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces" http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/cock-li-e-mail-se... -edit- to: all yes I realize seizure is not a gag order nor a backdoor. but the whole article spends thousand word praising how privacy is so much more safe in Germany and ho…

Yes - seizing isn't a gag order or a back door. It's worse, depending on how you run your stuff. He even mentioned logs... ouch.

> Yes - seizing isn't a gag order or a back door. It's worse

Or better. If your ISP's server have been seized, as a user there's a chance you're aware of it[0]. If your ISP is backdoored or they're subject to a gag order, that's not the case.

[0] and you probably have legal recourses or can appeal to your representatives

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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> give up all your personal information in order to call someone from a prepaid phone card you just bought for 5 euro. That is flat out untrue. I actually was surprised how easy it was to get prepaid SIM cards (just buy them at any shop/gas station, no info/ID required), load and use them however and whenever I want (also 15 Euros for 5GB 3G and works in USB data sticks, pretty nice). Illegal to have open Wifi, that…

"15 Euros for 5GB 3G" can you please provide more details on this? Travelsim is 5gb but is like 40eur.

https://www.alditalk.de/surfen/

Aldi Talk. Coverage is good, speed is okay. 4G is supported in the main cities.

Delivery is only possible within Germany, but you can grab the SIM card at any Aldi for 12.99€ including 10€ credit. Top up with a 5€ voucher brought at Aldi (ask at the register).

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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> give up all your personal information in order to call someone from a prepaid phone card you just bought for 5 euro. That is flat out untrue. I actually was surprised how easy it was to get prepaid SIM cards (just buy them at any shop/gas station, no info/ID required), load and use them however and whenever I want (also 15 Euros for 5GB 3G and works in USB data sticks, pretty nice). Illegal to have open Wifi, that…

"15 Euros for 5GB 3G" can you please provide more details on this? Travelsim is 5gb but is like 40eur.

Check out the prepaid card from Ay Yildiz, which is operated by Eplus. 15 Euros per 5 GB and 10 Euros for any subsequent 5GB in the same 30 day period. The cheapest prepaid 3G I found :-). Worked without problems in a USB stick, 14/5 Mbps download/upload speed.

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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"In Germany there is no law that could force us to submit to a gag order or to implement a backdoor." meanwhile "Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces" http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/cock-li-e-mail-se... -edit- to: all yes I realize seizure is not a gag order nor a backdoor. but the whole article spends thousand word praising how privacy is so much more safe in Germany and ho…

Seizure can be made public and email server provider take actions to protect against seizure. This is how it should work.

Ability to force gag order or implement a backdoor is really disgrace in democratic society.

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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> usually - vast majority of devices won't be rooted Can you upload a new baseband if your device is rooted?

A moderately loose-fitting tinfoil hat would assume that a rooted phone connecting only via wifi would bypass any remote exploit opportunities afforded by the baseband+(gsm|cdma) radio. But yes, a properly fitted hat would assume the entire device is unusable.

I agree, WiFi firmware is next up in the list of untrusted components.

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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I haven't been following German news, lately; what did I miss?

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10774152 for details and analysis.

>Cock.li was reportedly used last week to send a bogus bomb threat e-mail from "madbomber@cock.li" to several school districts nationwide, which led to the closure of all schools in the Los Angeles Unified School District.

I don't see what that has to do with dick-jokes being the reason

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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> give up all your personal information in order to call someone from a prepaid phone card you just bought for 5 euro. That is flat out untrue. I actually was surprised how easy it was to get prepaid SIM cards (just buy them at any shop/gas station, no info/ID required), load and use them however and whenever I want (also 15 Euros for 5GB 3G and works in USB data sticks, pretty nice). Illegal to have open Wifi, that…

>(just buy them at any shop/gas station, no info/ID required By law, they have to request your name, adress and DOB before you can activate the card (usually not done in store, but online at home). They don't need to validate them though (no ID required) and it's not illegal to make false statements :).

Huh, they didn't ask me for anything, I just bought the card and it worked as soon as I inserted it into the phone...

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> give up all your personal information in order to call someone from a prepaid phone card you just bought for 5 euro. That is flat out untrue. I actually was surprised how easy it was to get prepaid SIM cards (just buy them at any shop/gas station, no info/ID required), load and use them however and whenever I want (also 15 Euros for 5GB 3G and works in USB data sticks, pretty nice). Illegal to have open Wifi, that…

>(just buy them at any shop/gas station, no info/ID required By law, they have to request your name, adress and DOB before you can activate the card (usually not done in store, but online at home). They don't need to validate them though (no ID required) and it's not illegal to make false statements :).

I'm guessing there's a few "Seymour Butts" living at the Prime Minister's residence.

Re: Data Privacy Protection: Why Tutanota Is in Germany

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"15 Euros for 5GB 3G" can you please provide more details on this? Travelsim is 5gb but is like 40eur.

https://www.alditalk.de/surfen/ Aldi Talk. Coverage is good, speed is okay. 4G is supported in the main cities. Delivery is only possible within Germany, but you can grab the SIM card at any Aldi for 12.99€ including 10€ credit. Top up with a 5€ voucher brought at Aldi (ask at the register).

Last time I used them, I had to register it. I did through phone with a fake address but they disabled the card some weeks later...
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