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Processed meats as bad as cigarettes: bad reporting on good science

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Re: Processed meats as bad as cigarettes: bad reporting on good science

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Also worth noting: The same "known carcinogens" list also includes birth control pills and sunlight. Not all carcinogens should be avoided.

It's a shame you trivialise the risk. :-/

Skin cancer is very common, and kills many people. People absolutely should be careful about the amount of sunlight they expose themselves to.

Re: Processed meats as bad as cigarettes: bad reporting on good science

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Also worth noting: The same "known carcinogens" list also includes birth control pills and sunlight. Not all carcinogens should be avoided.

And sure enough, the formally-respectable tabloid known as Ars takes the bait: http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/10/its-official-bacon-ho...

You've misunderstand the submission.

The quality of the evidence is very good - now we are sure that eating red meat and processed meat increases the risk of cancer, although that risk is still very small. We are now as sure of that as we are that smoking causes cancer, although the risks from smoking are very much greater.

The Ars head line is accurate. The second and third paragraphs are clear and easy to understand and accurate.

> Today, in a sizzling announcement, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) officially marked processed meat, such as bacon, hot dogs, and sausages, as “carcinogenic to humans,” a “group 1” designation. The agency, an arm of the World Health Organization, also classified red meat, such as beef, pork, and lamb, as “probably carcinogenic to humans,” a “group 2A” grade.

> (The group designations refer to the confidence health experts have in the link between the meats and cancer; it does not refer to the potency of the meats’ cancer-causing abilities.)

Re: Processed meats as bad as cigarettes: bad reporting on good science

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has little to do with the linked article, which is only rejecting the bombastic headlines comparing the two.

Is it really that bombastic? Lot of people are smoking and will readily justify it with anecdotal evidance proving that smoking isn't really that bad at all - "you know there was this 105 year old Japanese guy and they asked him how he got that old and he said he stopped smoking at the age of 99 ..." Furthermore - people need those "comparisons" - only few will change their behavior based on purely statistical reason…

The WHO report tells us that the quality of the evidence is very good, which is why red meat and processed red meat have this new classification.

It doesn't talk about how strong the cancer-causing effects of red meat and processed meat are. They are nothing like as risky as cigarettes. We know that cigarettes are very harmful.

Re: Processed meats as bad as cigarettes: bad reporting on good science

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For processed (cured) meats, they must assuredly mean sodium nitrite (which sodium nitrate turns in to) and/or salt is known carcinogens. In which case, it should be "sodium nitrite known to cause cancer". Also, people should know that even "no nitrates/nitrites added" doesn't mean devoid of nitrates or nitrites, because most companies add tons of celery salt, and, for the most part, you end up with an equivalent amo…

The term "processed food" seems so overloaded that it's largely pointless.

Nevertheless, this page seems to explain its popular usage well, while adding some much needed sanity:

http://www.nhs.uk/livewell/goodfood/pages/what-are-processed...

Re: Processed meats as bad as cigarettes: bad reporting on good science

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post #21
post #3

Also worth noting: The same "known carcinogens" list also includes birth control pills and sunlight. Not all carcinogens should be avoided.

It's a shame you trivialise the risk. :-/ Skin cancer is very common, and kills many people. People absolutely should be careful about the amount of sunlight they expose themselves to.

Sunscreen is also carcinogenic. Vitamin D deficiency is also harmful. And staying indoors with little exercise leads to a whole host of other conditions.

Re: Processed meats as bad as cigarettes: bad reporting on good science

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And sure enough, the formally-respectable tabloid known as Ars takes the bait: http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/10/its-official-bacon-ho...

You've misunderstand the submission. The quality of the evidence is very good - now we are sure that eating red meat and processed meat increases the risk of cancer, although that risk is still very small. We are now as sure of that as we are that smoking causes cancer, although the risks from smoking are very much greater. The Ars head line is accurate. The second and third paragraphs are clear and easy to understan…

I understand now, thank you.

Re: Processed meats as bad as cigarettes: bad reporting on good science

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post #25
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a shame you trivialise the risk. :-/ Skin cancer is very common, and kills many people. People absolutely should be careful about the amount of sunlight they expose themselves to.

Sunscreen is also carcinogenic. Vitamin D deficiency is also harmful. And staying indoors with little exercise leads to a whole host of other conditions.

Not all sunscreens are carcinogenic. Just the externally pleasant ones that leach into your skin.

Re: Processed meats as bad as cigarettes: bad reporting on good science

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Also worth noting: The same "known carcinogens" list also includes birth control pills and sunlight. Not all carcinogens should be avoided.

If I'm not mistaken even sunscreen is carcinogenic Living has a 100% mortality rate.

You are mistaken. Certain kinds of sunscreen used in the past were carcinogenic, they've been banned.

Re: Processed meats as bad as cigarettes: bad reporting on good science

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm not mistaken even sunscreen is carcinogenic Living has a 100% mortality rate.

You are mistaken. Certain kinds of sunscreen used in the past were carcinogenic, they've been banned.

You are right, my information was old

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Aminobenzoic_acid

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