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Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

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Re: Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

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You're taking it a little too literally. The theory is that once a situation seems less maintained, people will normalize that state and allow it to decline further. It's essentially a slippery slope argument, though I do think there's a little bit of psychological truth to the argument. But I also think there's a really high cost for trying to keep things perfect.

The cost is in cultural adaptation, not police work. Singapore has a high standard of public appearance and behavior. It comes at a cost. But they did succeed in creating the social norm. Without that the police effort is endless.

That's what I meant, though maybe with a different spin. The cultural adaptation to a grossly over-aggressive police force is the major cost: fear, oppression, distrust, etc.

As far as Singapore goes, I don't have a ton of experience there to comment. If their standards end up leading the police to proactively treat people like criminals, then I suppose I wouldn't like that very much.

Worth noting that Asian culture in general seems to have much more of a "compromise the individual for the good of the whole" component, though. Nothing wrong with that, but it's a poor fit with our cultural expectations.

Re: Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

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Read what? I live in this neighborhood and grew up around here. Where did you grow up? Entertain me please. You realize that Eric was selling cigarettes (no id) to high school kids for months right? You realize that most people with families (majority) in that neighborhood, do not support him... right? Yes he died. Everything went well during his previous arrests. When he decided to resist he knew what he was getting…

> Read what? I live in this neighborhood and grew up around here. Totally, absolutely, irrelevant. I don't need to live in your neighborhood to have an opinion. And just by geographical proximity your opinion doesn't get any magical powers. > You realize that Eric was selling cigarettes (no id) to high school kids for months right? ... (blah blah blah) It was not an arrestable offence. Selling "loosies" gets your a $…

>I don't need to live in your neighborhood to have an opinion. A

Nobody in the neighborhood needs your opinion. If you are going to comment on the community you were never a part of or a certain class you never been a part off, then be humble when you get corrected.

> It was not an arrestable offence. Selling "loosies" gets your a $100 fine, not an arrest. Read the laws.

Get off Wikipedia and stop pretending to know stuff, there is a clear pattern where you attempt to know everything.

The fine has not been anywhere close to $100 in NYC for selling cigarettes for years now. This fine you are speaking about is also imposed on stores. Not people who are classified as drug dealers.

Right now you get fined $1000 for failing to display warning label within your store. Selling to minors? You are looking for thousands of dollars of fines. Those fines go up 3/4x if you keep it up.

This would have been arrest #3 for Eric. Which would likely would have resulted in heavy fines / jail time.

> The crime was of selling loose cigs, not selling to children. It was a tax issue, plain and simple.

What tax issue? He is selling loosies at profit. Taxes are already paid and the kids can't get those in bodegas anyways. If anything he was helping with your so called 'tax' issues.

Majority of buyers are kids. Grown men won't pay 50% mark-up on something they can get in the store.

Neither of your counter points hold any water, stick to bullshitting your friends. They don't know any better.

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