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Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by enraged_camel »

trevor-e wrote: post #185
Someone1234 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The big thing is how this is open source. And how does that make a difference? You could already contribute plugins to both to add/remove/alter functionality, so other than a warm fuzzy feeling, what does Open Source add to your productivity?

You can contribute plugins, sure, but the direction of the entire project is in the hands of one person. As others have said, updates have become more scarce in recent times. For example, it was almost 6 months between build Build 3061 and Build 3062. Open Source doesn't imply that there's a productivity gain. For obvious reasons I'm a lot more comfortable using OS tools at work.

I don't know how much it being open-source will help though. The open-source world is chock full of libraries and tools that have been abandoned long ago, despite having numerous contributors listed on the project. I'd say that about 30-40% of Rails gems I come across everyday have not been updated in a year if not more. Sure, they have forks, but unlike the original gem, they are not mature enough to be used in a production environment.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by njharman »

bubblicious wrote: post #11

If there is one app I've always been thrilled to pay for, it's Sublime Text. I've purchased and renewed the licence ever since v1 came out. While it may not be open sourced, you can see it was created with a lot of love for code and openness. Today there are thousands of amazing plugins to enhance it. And though I fully respect the open source initiative, I, for once, am very happy to support / give some money to a p…

Opensource is not about price. Its value is not in having $0 price. Never has been, never will be. How can people still be confused on this?

Also, you can and should support / give some money to open source developers as well.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by wooter »

dyeje wrote: post #182
oridecon wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but the main reason for most people (I can't comment on the author's intention) is that Sublime is lacking updates and transparency about the development. They did announced something recently, like getting ready for ST 4. And 3 is not even a major upgrade from ST2, IMHO.

I've been using Sublime Text 2 for a few years now. I'm not sure what a major upgrade would entail when it works so well already. Do Emacs and Vim get 'major upgrades'? [actual question]

no, but emacs and vim don't charge 60 bucks per version. I'm not saying this is necessarily negative for ST, but its the point he was making. I frankly think 60 bucks is worth robust support which ST certainly did not have.

Anyways, theres no satisfying HN. When Atom came out, the consensus was that they should've come out and said it was an ST clone upfront. Now someone does that and it seems the tide has changed.

While we're on Atom, since switching I've found its everything ST should've been. Its open source and has a huge community developing very useful plugins (not to mention, they're well integrated from a usability perspective - git/terminal status/linter/etc). Also, I have yet to run into a serious bug/versioning issue which ST plugins were rife with before I dropped it.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by nknighthb »

erikb wrote: post #158
patrickg wrote: post #143

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"...but if you want to execute a compiled result of that source code I can still ask you to pay me for it." morally: yes. Legally? I don't think that there is a law (German law is the one that I know a bit) that allows you restrict the usage of a piece of software.

When you buy a game on Steam, what kind of license do you buy? I think it's a license that allows you to play the game, i.e., use the binary. But I'm certainly not a lawyer.

If you buy a cookbook, you don't need a separate license to execute the recipes.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by at-fates-hands »

wooter wrote: post #193
dyeje wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Sublime Text 2 for a few years now. I'm not sure what a major upgrade would entail when it works so well already. Do Emacs and Vim get 'major upgrades'? [actual question]

no, but emacs and vim don't charge 60 bucks per version. I'm not saying this is necessarily negative for ST, but its the point he was making. I frankly think 60 bucks is worth robust support which ST certainly did not have. Anyways, theres no satisfying HN. When Atom came out, the consensus was that they should've come out and said it was an ST clone upfront. Now someone does that and it seems the tide has changed. W…

>> no, but emacs and vim don't charge 60 bucks per version

Not that it matters much, but it's actually $70 now: http://www.sublimetext.com/buy

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by shangxiao »

sigzero wrote: post #184
oridecon wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but the main reason for most people (I can't comment on the author's intention) is that Sublime is lacking updates and transparency about the development. They did announced something recently, like getting ready for ST 4. And 3 is not even a major upgrade from ST2, IMHO.

This isn't a "fork" though or at least it doesn't look like it from a cursory look at their website. So they shouldn't be riding the coat tails of sublime at all. I understand a fork doing that but not this.

I guess it depends, at least for me, on how much it looks and feels like Sublime Text and whether it is compatible with the numerous addons there are.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by adrusi »

overgard wrote: post #110

I wish they wouldn't attach themselves to the sublime brand. It's not theirs, and it's pretty shady to ride another project's coattails when their intent is essentially to cannibalize it by being sublime-but-free. You can discuss the merits of open source and paying for tools all you want, but basically their goal is to put a man out of business who's made something that a lot of people love, because he has the gall…

Go is part of the pitch because the project is still is its relatively early stages (I believe it's about a year old). It's just as important for them to attract developers as it is users.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by MagicWishMonkey »

oridecon wrote: post #116
overgard wrote: post #110

I wish they wouldn't attach themselves to the sublime brand. It's not theirs, and it's pretty shady to ride another project's coattails when their intent is essentially to cannibalize it by being sublime-but-free. You can discuss the merits of open source and paying for tools all you want, but basically their goal is to put a man out of business who's made something that a lot of people love, because he has the gall…

I agree, but the main reason for most people (I can't comment on the author's intention) is that Sublime is lacking updates and transparency about the development. They did announced something recently, like getting ready for ST 4. And 3 is not even a major upgrade from ST2, IMHO.

Yea, I'm still using v2.0 because I don't want to get burned again. He released v3 a few months after I bought it.

I understand software development isn't cheap but it's kind of annoying that $60 doesn't include free upgrades.

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by shangxiao »

Diamons wrote: post #171
k__ wrote: post #161

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$0 is not a bad price for something that will always be behind of Sublime's curve. I used closed and open source software. It just feels much better if I see a bug, fix it, place a pull request and be done with it, than discuss with some devs in a bug tracker if and when they want to fix a bug I hate.

And that's the problem. Every single open source software looks like it was cobbled together with no vision or coherency in design. It's no surprise that most open source software is clunky and hard to use whereas closed products always have that visual polish.

Every single? You sure you want to make that claim on HN?

Re: Lime Text: Open Source Sublime Text clone

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Post by jeffreyrogers »

MagicWishMonkey wrote: post #198
oridecon wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but the main reason for most people (I can't comment on the author's intention) is that Sublime is lacking updates and transparency about the development. They did announced something recently, like getting ready for ST 4. And 3 is not even a major upgrade from ST2, IMHO.

Yea, I'm still using v2.0 because I don't want to get burned again. He released v3 a few months after I bought it. I understand software development isn't cheap but it's kind of annoying that $60 doesn't include free upgrades.

I think it does include free updates. At least, I just copied my code from v2 into v3 and that worked.
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