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LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by heliostatic »

swanson wrote: post #163
alexpenny wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are the icons in question. http://i.imgur.com/xDDULcG.png Also, the Flat-UI guy also copied other artists on dribbble. http://cl.ly/image/3Q181w0b1u2K From http://drbl.in/eXkk , and http://drbl.in/gmsD I'm not saying these are in copyright violation, merely examples he has copied prior work.

Seriously? It's a clock - how many unique ways are there to design it? It's a folded up map with pins in it. He moved the hour/minutes hands, changed the colors and shadows, used different continents in the map.

Seriously?

Apple paid $21 million for a clock design after first adopting your attitude: http://www.law.com/corporatecounsel/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202...

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by peejaybee »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #96

Someone please lend LayerVault some contrast. http://i.imgur.com/jfSuxcK.png http://i.imgur.com/cMO4lxA.png http://i.imgur.com/JnaZdN7.png I cannot believe a "top notch" design house can get this so wrong. Edit: Designer News seems to suffer from the same affliction. https://news.layervault.com/ A lot of sites that are HN these days seem to lack contrast, what's up with that?

Yeah, when I went to the tour page, I was trying to figure out why the whole page was greyed out.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by Daiz »

mrmaddog wrote: post #87

And here's a reply from Allan: https://news.layervault.com/stories/1992-layervault-whats-up... Looks like the pitchforks are out over on HN. It was pretty straightforward. Our reaction was "Cool, a flat UI theme" to "Wait, this looks familiar" to "Wait, are those our illustrations?". I contacted the designmodo people over email, because that's the right way to handle this. The owner was being stubborn at first and re…

As others have pointed out, Allan's "reply" is quite the non-reply with the lack of concrete proof and evidence of the supposed "copyright infringement". What I personally found interesting, however, was Allan's initial reaction to the Flat UI Kit on Twitter: "Has nothing to do with us. Very distasteful."[1]

Later on, after the pitchforks had showed up, he tweeted the following: "It's neat that someone made a flat ui kit"[2]

That tune sure changed quickly!

[1] https://twitter.com/Allan/status/308937462221254657

[2] https://twitter.com/Allan/status/309346292902014976

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by Legion »

justjimmy wrote: post #154
jgj wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A really good way to coerce the pitchforks back into their sheds is to provide proof, especially when your DMCA is vague and posted on a ridiculously public platform. Allan has done neither, and still hasn't done so in his tweets or this post over on his bubbly walled garden. A few simple side-by-side screenshots would have sufficed and put the court of public opinion squarely on his side. He may be completely in the…

Here's the side by side comparison Noun Project vs Layer Vault vs Flat UI http://imgur.com/IH1osAD If anyone notice other similar icons, I can update image with side by side comparison. *Thanks to fellow HNers for the links to the images. I just stuck it all together side by side. Edit: Updated with more samples.

Wow, that is considerably less egregious than I had imagined it would be.

From my initial reading, it sounded like images were outright copied, or copied and slightly altered. That is hardly the case in these examples.

If there aren't any stronger examples than these, then LayerVault wouldn't seem to have much of a basis for all this.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by discountgenius »

heliostatic wrote: post #191
swanson wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? It's a clock - how many unique ways are there to design it? It's a folded up map with pins in it. He moved the hour/minutes hands, changed the colors and shadows, used different continents in the map.

Seriously? Apple paid $21 million for a clock design after first adopting your attitude: http://www.law.com/corporatecounsel/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202...

Apple's clock design was indistinguishable from the original. This is not.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by ianstormtaylor »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #96

Someone please lend LayerVault some contrast. http://i.imgur.com/jfSuxcK.png http://i.imgur.com/cMO4lxA.png http://i.imgur.com/JnaZdN7.png I cannot believe a "top notch" design house can get this so wrong. Edit: Designer News seems to suffer from the same affliction. https://news.layervault.com/ A lot of sites that are HN these days seem to lack contrast, what's up with that?

To be fair, a copyright message isn't something we need tons of contrast on. There are definitely places that could use extra contrast in their designs, but the copyright in their footer isn't one of them.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by cmiles74 »

elemeno wrote: post #114
evdawg wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This appears to be an abuse of process from LayerVault. They have a design in a style that's not quite originally theirs-- they've seemingly abused the DMCA to have github remove a completely unrelated UI kit in the same style. The two items in question are as follows: https://layervault.com/ http://designmodo.github.com/Flat-UI/ Flat UI has (seemingly) been designed and developed completely independently, having not…

The rebuttal is a DMCA Counter-Notification. They're easy to write and just asset that you do in fact own the copyright, or are otherwise authorised the use the materials that the DMCA notice referred to. Once that's been done, the host has to restore the removed content within a certain time period and the issuers of the original notice have to take action directly against you (as in sue you) if they want to pursue…

LayerVault has posted details on what they felt was infringing and appears to misunderstand (willfully or otherwise) the purpose of a DMCA notice. There is no evidence that artwork identical to that of LayerVault has been used in FlatUI. While some artwork is similar, that is another issue entirely, an issue outside that of the DMCA.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by milkshakes »

sp332 wrote: post #188
milkshakes wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is the point you're trying to make?

Swanson asked: It's a clock - how many unique ways are there to design it?

Thanks, I figured that part out. I was more replying to this response in the context of the grandparent, which made little sense to me at first, and even less sense when he edited it in some strange attempt to distinguish between "copying", which he seems to be accusing the Flat-UI creator of, and "copyright violation", the legal prerequisite for filing a DMCA takedown, which is what the rest of the comments on this post seem to be discussing.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by LandoCalrissian »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #187
alexpenny wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are the icons in question. http://i.imgur.com/xDDULcG.png Also, the Flat-UI guy also copied other artists on dribbble. http://cl.ly/image/3Q181w0b1u2K From http://drbl.in/eXkk , and http://drbl.in/gmsD I'm not saying these are in copyright violation, merely examples he has copied prior work.

The color schemes of LayerVault and FlatUI are also almost identical. http://pixxel.co/feed/layervault-issues-dmca-takedown

That's not a copyright violation.
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