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New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by danielweber »

james4k wrote: post #62
biot wrote: post #42

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How is HBO "trying to legal threat everyone into submission"? I've purchased seasons 1 and 2 of Game of Thrones on Bluray. I don't have cable yet HBO managed to take my money just fine. I bet those seasons are still heavily pirated despite being available for purchase, just as people pirate movies, TV shows, and music that has been available for legal purchase for years or decades. People just want to get shit withou…

Well, you'll have to watch the next season 9 months or so after everyone else does.

He's right up there with Nelson Mandela.

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Post by corresation »

rohern wrote: post #187
corresation wrote: post #147

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The fact that you decided to make this into some sort of young versus old thing is rather hilarious. Piracy is older than the internet. Some of us don't have the moral flexibility -- or quite honestly the time or the inconvenience -- to pirate. If you do, good for you, but the notion that it's new is utter hubris.

This is exactly my point. If you grew up in a time when all you needed to do to watch a TV show online was google "watch Game of Thrones online" and go to the first link, you would feel much more relaxed about it than you obviously do. I made the age distinction because many older think piracy means that these people are using filesharing and bittorrent to watch these shows. These technologies are obsolete when it co…

If you grew up in a time when all you needed to do to watch a TV show online was google "watch Game of Thrones online" and go to the first link, you would feel much more relaxed about it than you obviously do.

That takes me to a site that has endless scamware ads, tries to get me to download a hilarious dubious "codec" from a third party site, has various false-starts while it solicits memberships, etc.

That is easy? In contrast if I want to watch GoT on my cable box, it's right there under on-demand (included with premium services).

After having dealt with the fallout when people "easily" watched videos online, I have become suspicious of any notion about the easiness of piracy.

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Post by brown9-2 »

beedogs wrote: post #165
GHFigs wrote: post #160

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I don't understand. Netflix and Hulu are also subscription services. If it's about the price of a cable subscription, then brown9-2 was exactly right to begin with: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5276396

No, it requires me to purchase a completely separate cable TV subscription. I don't have, can't get, and don't want a US cable TV subscription. Even if I lived in the US, I wouldn't want to have to pay $100 a month for cable TV just for the privilege of paying an additional fee to stream HBO. (Feel free to now call me "selfish" or "entitled" or whatever the rest of the trolls in this thread have settled on to describ…

Netflix and Hulu require you to purchase a completely different broadband Internet subscription.

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Post by brown9-2 »

oijaf888 wrote: post #146
GHFigs wrote: post #142

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I am not a user, but HBO Go does not strike me as any less of a "modern medium" than Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon Instant.

How do you sign up for HBO Go? I can see how to sign up for Netflix, Hulu and Amazon Instant but HBO Go appears to require a few other accounts than just signing up and paying them money.

You need to subscribe to HBO via your cable provider and then login with the account provided by your cable provider.

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Post by wmf »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #181
wmf wrote: post #77

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Mesh networking is very hard and there's no business model to pay for the very hard R&D since it's fundamentally about not paying.

Doesn't the OLPC have ad-hoc mesh networking built in?

AFAIK it never worked well and was dropped from later releases.

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Post by enraged_camel »

beedogs wrote: post #166
GHFigs wrote: post #157

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People use the word "entitlement" because when you say this... I download shit because...there's literally no other way to consume said content ...you're making the assumption that you are entitled to consume that content simply because it exists, and that not consuming the content isn't even an option.

I like the part where you quoted me out of context to make me seem unreasonable. The content is right there, for the taking. So I take it. If it weren't there, I wouldn't take it. (Duh.) How's that "entitled" activity? Are you that obtuse, or are you just trolling?

>>The content is right there, for the taking. So I take it. If it weren't there, I wouldn't take it. (Duh.) How's that "entitled" activity? Are you that obtuse, or are you just trolling?

You know, seeing this level of sophistry in a post on Hacker News is fucking embarrassing.

"If it weren't there, I wouldn't take it." Are you fucking kidding me. Most human beings have their thought process extend a little further than this, but apparently not you. Mindlessly pirating content and not thinking about its moral implications is just a lot more convenient, right? And when people call you out on your fucking bullshit, just put the blame on the content provider for not making it available to you - even though it is, you know, their fucking content and their fucking choice.

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Post by teach »

beedogs wrote: post #168
teach wrote: post #159

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This is the sort-of sentence that some would characterize with the adjective 'entitled'. And this post, at least, isn't 'astroturfing'.

Well, they'd be wrong. M-W's third definition of entitlement, which is the only one that even remotely fits, goes something like this: " 3: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges " So, your contention is that people who torrent movies believe they deserve the privilege of watching them, rather than that they may be doing it for any of a number of other reasons, such as the ones I and others…

You are mischaracterizing my argument. I'm saying this:

1) This movie is available for sale. 2) I want to purchase it. 3) Therefore, they are obligated to sell it to me. Or, alternatively, I feel I am entitled to purchase a copy.

This is what I fundamentally disagree with. I do not believe that you have any sort of right to purchase a product. Just because they make it available for sale does not mean that they are in any way obligated to sell it to you, even if you want it very badly and are willing to pay quite a lot of money.

I'm not actually talking about torrenting at all; that comes after the 'entitlement'.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

zacharycohn wrote: post #164
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #138

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So who says it has to be "cheaper"? Charge the same amount for the streaming service as they get from the cable companies. The problem is not HBO, the problem is Comcast. If HBO offered all their premium content a la carte over the internet for competitive prices, HBO would be fine. They would make even more money than they do now -- except that the cable companies would collectively go berserk and retaliate, the fea…

Could HBO really justify charging 4x or 5x or 10x what Netflix charges with a fraction of the catalog? No. People would ridicule them.

Have you seen the Netflix streaming catalog? It's terrible. People would pay substantially more than that just for current episodes of the HBO original series, to say nothing of the movies -- which they already do pay for the cable package. Why do you suspect they wouldn't do the same over the internet if the choice was available? Once again, they would likely pay even more, because they could then more easily cancel their entire cable subscription while paying HBO more than HBO is currently receiving today from the cable companies and come out ahead.

The primary problem is that HBO would have to transition their subscribers to their internet service all at once or they would lose subscriptions. There are still plenty of HBO subscribers watching on analog TVs with no internet attached to them, and HBO can't take steps to make itself independent from the cable companies without causing them to retaliate by depriving it of all that subscription revenue.

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Post by jasonlotito »

watmough wrote: post #133
jasonlotito wrote: post #125

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That changes the OP's argument. "Still not for sale at any price..." which is 100% false. The problem is, you want it now... because, well, you are entitled to it when and how you want it. The only issue is you aren't willing to pay the price. So, instead of availability, this because one of pricing. You feel the product costs too much, and you want the lower price to come sooner. Another problem is you are looking a…

I wait for the DVDs. I'm not a believer in piracy. My issue is that if I could subscribe to just HBO, I would. It's the other 200 channels of DishTV's slops that I don't want coming into my house.

That's the price you pay though. You don't think it's worth it. The price for HBO is not the monthly price you pay to the cable provider for HBO.
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