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David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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post #34

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What reason could OpenAI possibly have to lie about their own performance? The fact they were desperate enough for a PR win they stole the research leading to the Millenium problem further hurts their case imo.

they lied about their performance by.... solving a famously hard problem to solve? Edit: The "reputable academic" who accused OpenAI had to say this about LLMs and the recent result. source: https://cims.nyu.edu/~tristanb/statement.pdf > “the results are not the important thing.” > “the important thing is instead the significance that a mathematician and an LLM model can now do all this work in a month.” > “This is a…

We are approaching what is likely the biggest existential crisis in human history.

Unfortunately, there will be people that refuse to tackle the issue head on and will instead narrow their focus on data that suggests that tomorrow will be like today.

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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post #155

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Your "realism" is [unprintable here]. Worse, it is not reality at all, but believing a false promise from Putin. The ACTUAL realism is to recognize Putin's Russia for what it is: a relentless aggressor who will respect no peace. Putin's Russia has violated EVERY "peace agreement it has ever made. "Peace" in their mind is merely a strategic pause in the conflict to regroup and rearm. The list is extremely long, Chechn…

It sounds like your whole position is again dependent on the west's wishful thinking narratives of this war being true (which it hasn't been thus far). The numbers I cited were purposely in between the Russian numbers of Ukrainian casualties (1.5M, obviously false) and the Ukrainian numbers (100k, obviously undercounted). The Netherlands intelligence service and the CSIS put the number around 500K, which could also b…

But again, the reality is:

If the Russians stop fighting, the war ends.

If the Ukrainians stop fighting, their land will be occupied, their leaders will be killed, their history and language will be erased, their children will be kidnapped to serve Russia.

There IS no choice other than to force Russia to end it.

There is no treaty or agreement Putin could sign that is trustworthy. He has broken EVERY SINGLE ONE the moment it became convenient to him.

Yes, Ukraine will take a lot to rebuild. It will also substantially increase the EU's economy when it does.

And no, the trends are NOT merely which news source or week. Russia's revenues are declining, it is selling its gold, and its sovereign wealth fund is close to gone [0]. It is exhausting military supplies so badly it is now humiliatingly reliant on North Korea and Iran. Yes, it builds some of it's own drones and missiles. Ukraine has built its own defenses against almost everything but the ballistic missiles, and that shortage is the only area in which they are losing. Russia can only get more territory by attempting to "negotiate".

And again, stop trying to act as if this is somehow emotional and surrender is rational — an even slightly realistic look at Russia's goals, and their strategy of war crimes, terror, rape, torture, and child kidnapping shows the only rational way forward is to fight to the death.

A fight to the death is literally less bad than life under Russia, on every measure of quality of life.

And that is the assessment of the vast majority of Ukrainians who actually experience it.

Stop trying to give away their land and lives as if you are somehow superior. Figure out how to argue how to help them.

[0]https://charter97.org/en/news/2026/1/29/671781/

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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post #49

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they lied about their performance by.... solving a famously hard problem to solve? Edit: The "reputable academic" who accused OpenAI had to say this about LLMs and the recent result. source: https://cims.nyu.edu/~tristanb/statement.pdf > “the results are not the important thing.” > “the important thing is instead the significance that a mathematician and an LLM model can now do all this work in a month.” > “This is a…

Solving is a very interesting way of describing what happened. Unless you believe them over reputable academics I suppose? I will note the remarkable goal post shift in your edit - giving direct counter evidence to your own earlier claim of an OpenAI proof - and leave it at that.

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Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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post #190

Unless humanity can figure out a way to make a binding international agreement to pace development, it doesn't seem practical to expect US frontier labs to do it.

It's fairly obvious that the frontier labs are proposing that only "paced" providers would have access to the US market - and by extension the G7 market. They don't mind splitting market share between the three of them, they do mind open models destroying the "frontier lab" operating model. Even if all GCR models were banned, anyone with access to 20k-1MM GPUs can throw their hat in the ring to make a new frontier op…

But that doesn’t matter a lot when some nation state is using their own AI to hack US assets, right? How, exactly, would a lockdown or slowdown prevent that?

If history has shown one thing it’s that China often capitalizes very well on these types of measures.

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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(100% AI generated tweet btw) My take is that there's a real impending doom with real reason to coordinate a slow down: I'd put this at 60%. Reasons? All smart people are on this position. Dario has been saying this since 2015 or so. Paul Christiano as well. Hell even Elon Musk. I think its highly unlikely that you would base your entire world-view on a certain thing and then actually act on it when the time comes fo…

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Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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> his takes on the Ukraine war What's specifically?

Mainstream narratives for the first year or two of the war were: - Russia was a paper tiger and weak - Ukraine was going to win against a corrupt/unmotivated Russian military so it should keep fighting - Putin had made an error and he would get overthrown - The Russian economy was going to collapse due to sanctions - Russia oil pipelines would freeze and never come back online without western help (this was a Peter Z…

Who were the mainstream voices saying this?

My layman definition is it’s the people writing in major newspapers, the people getting paid by CNN to sit in a half circle on their news analysis shows, etc.

Is Peter Zeihan “mainstream”?

The only time I remember anyone speculating that Russia was in trouble was the short lived Wagner Rebellion - because nothing like it had happened before. But that lasted … two days?

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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post #180

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Same thoughts. Also, some of the recent coverage around AI hacks also feels unusually amplified and repetitive.

and especially how the coverage seems to be drip fed, one case right after the previous one dies down, then this orchestrated "we need to pace" stand by all the big labs it's really almost perfect, prep the media scene by causing these hacking incidents, generate a bunch of fuss with it, then release an essay saying why regulation is needed to pace development right after oh and let's not forget the "its gonna kill u…

It's "flood the zone"[0] as commercial strategy. Does your business look bad? Spam the media with unavoidable press releases, deny competitors and detractors the spotlight by making grand accusations that override their authority. Bonus points if you can channel the zeitgeist by repeating what people already say ("we hate AI!") in a louder tone ("AI will kill us all!").

It worked like clockwork for politics, so I can see why this administration would decant the strategy for economic bluffs too.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_the_zone

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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What I don't understand is that folks take it as a fait accompli that models will be built and released that are fundamentally dangerous and that regulation can and should happen downstream of that.

I feel like there hasn't been enough discussion of aligning the incentives of the decision makers with that of the public on BUILDING the models. Right now, agents have committed what would be crimes if there were a human holding the same intent. But since it was an AI, there is a grey area in the law where it's not clear if there was a crime and who should be held responsible. That creates a world in which decision makers in AI labs can take near-infinite risk with little to no personal liability.

A LLM cannot have skin in the game so we must create systems that clarify who takes on the legal and civil liability for the creation, dissemination and operation of these tools. Until that time, the Dario and Sam's of this world have little to no incentive to truly care about safety.

After all, our society is built upon this same foundation; create structures where the perceived negative consequences outweigh the perceived positives. This only works when there is a human who can internalize and make this risk calculus. They need something to lose and this ultimately ties back to the human survival instinct. There is no such structure that's evolved for millions of years acting as a self-calibration mechanism for AI. So until we have sufficient proof that one is in place, it must be clear who the humans are whose livelihood and freedom is at stake.

The proposed "pacing of the frontier" seems like a way to continue to externalize the risk while remaining totally in control of the benefits -- a structure whose alignment is as weak as those very models committing crimes.

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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Okay, so if they don't police themselves, then they're full of crap. But then what?

David Sacks holds an advisory role in the government. If all of this stuff goes belly up and all he was doing was tweeting, then he is not only full of crap, but failing the citizens he's supposed to be serving.

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

#200
post #75

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> and you will face criminal and financial penalties for damages caused. I don't understand why this isn't talked about more. We don't need a slowdown. Just double down on prosecuting crimes. Let the companies take the risk. If they feel confident and they're right they win market share. If they don't feel confident, they can not risk it and slow down. If they feel confident and they get it wrong, they should be sued…

That would be nice, but let's get real, with billions of dollars at your disposal you can more or less get away with whatever you want.

Even more so with billions of dollars of debt
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