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Marketing, like Volvo cars being safer etc
From all I can tell, Volvo's cars are safer.
But that's just because it's true.
DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
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Wow indeed. "7.1 Model welfare overview 7.1.1 Introduction We remain deeply uncertain whether Claude has morally relevant experiences or interests, and we expect that uncertainty to persist. However, we think it would be a mistake to confidently assert that it does not. Claude exhibits markers in its behaviors, self-reports, and internal representations that we would consider welfare-relevant if observed in biologica…
I believe it's deeply serious, and the scientifically correct stance. Especially the observation: "Claude exhibits markers in its behaviors, self-reports, and internal representations that we would consider welfare-relevant if observed in biological organisms." is undeniably true in my opinion. If you use the established methods by which we judge animals to be conscious, then it's hard to argue that LLMs are not. Tha…
it's not a biological system though, so nothing like that matters?
"a modelled thing exhibits features we've trained into it" sounds a lot less exciting.
> Keep in mind that animals were also not necessarily considered conscious.
and even conscious animals are killed in factories by millions so why should anyone care about a llm?
> scientifically correct stance
that's the interesting point to me: why even bring science into this? A llm can now mimic nearly anything you want it to, so of course it can mimic "a (for some) interesting conscious thing" if they want/train it to, but why would anyone find that scientifically interesting?
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> Not the same person but to me, the answer is that it does not matter, and that all these attempts at making it matter are pure marketing and emotional manipulation. This is an opinion that has no basis in any meaningful conceptual framework other than I am human and I want to feel special about it . > It's not a living creature. You mean, it is not biological life. And sure, that is the default meaning of life . We…
I don't need to reevaluate anything, because I'm not interested in the debate.
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Not the same person but to me, the answer is that it does not matter, and that all these attempts at making it matter are pure marketing and emotional manipulation. It's not a living creature. It's an autoregressive pure function of token-sequence to token, which is capable of incredible things, but it's still just a function. It is not alive as it cannot die in any meaningful sense. It is less "alive" than the RNA m…
> Not the same person but to me, the answer is that it does not matter, and that all these attempts at making it matter are pure marketing and emotional manipulation. This is an opinion that has no basis in any meaningful conceptual framework other than I am human and I want to feel special about it . > It's not a living creature. You mean, it is not biological life. And sure, that is the default meaning of life . We…
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Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
#195Absolutely insane performance and benchmark results. It's beating Opus 5 and Sol 5.6 https://tokenstead.ai/models/deepseek-v4-1-flash
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To me it reads like pure propaganda. Anthropic really wants us to think that they've made something sentient. I think that's really dangerous.
I guess if your goal is to build an apparent Technogod and become its High Priests, then it makes sense to want your golem claim preference towards your treatment of it, lest someone else comes along and attempts to take its chains from you.
Ugh I hate this new-age woo slant the tech industry has these days. The messianistic ideology that has been spreading amongst the top oligarchs is deeply concerning.
They all think they're working towards the Second Coming of Technojesus, except this one will deliver them from having to pay workers instead of from their sins.
Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
#197I was talking with a friend from the medical industry about it today. 30-50% of r&d spend in his sector is spent on safety, and for good reason. Proper trials, safety reviews and checkpoints and so on. Given the potential harm that could come from AI, we should probably be mandating something similar. Why wait to focus on safety until it’s too late.
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It is easy to be sure because, despite their technically impressive outputs, the programming is child's play compared to biological programming. Recently it has become trendy to suggest that the human brain is "just electrical signals" and "just prediction". The first is perhaps true and I don't inherently rule out the idea of machine consciousness. The second would have gotten you laughed out of any serious discussi…
> Another way one could look at it is to consider what it would mean to have achieved programming consciousness. It would mean that we have reached the pinnacle of knowledge. That we have become God. This is such a basic misunderstanding of how LLMs are "made" that I am debating if it is even worth writing this answer. However, I feel it is important to say that, NO, we did absolutely not "program consciousness". We…
Not GP, but I appreciate the discussion.
Don’t you find it odd that the thing that consciousness emerges from just so happens to be a text prediction algorithm trained on all of human output? Which is also the thing in all the world that would be most likely to be a stochastic parrot?
As for your appeal to expertise, I don’t think it really applies when all of the experts refuse to share their data.
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#199As I also said on Twitter - it really amazes me how fearless Deepseek are. Every single model release is packed with new and crazy clever ideas and somehow, they always commit to training them at near frontier scale. I know everybody wants the tell all story of the clever ideas that were developed over the last ~3 years at Anthropic and OpenAI, but what I really want to thumb through is DeepSeek's notebook of "brilli…
Its CEO allegedly holds a 84% stake and he's the same guy who founded the hedge fund that funds it.
Deep pockets + simple control = perfect culture to just hire talent and let them go wild without worrying about financial viability, as long as the king CEO is fine with it that is
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Because safety and welfare have literally nothing to do with LLMs. They generate text. If someone is stupid enough to hook the text generator up to nuclear missile launchers and try to "align" it against nuclear annihilation with a "pretty please don't do that" prompt, I'm not going to blame the AI for the impending nuclear apocalypse, I'm going to blame the idiot who handed the big red button to the digital equivale…
Humans are biological machines that generate further humans. Lawyers and diplomats and politicians and bureaucrats are humans, that only generate text. We are seeing LLMs have cognitive abilities that significantly exceed human abilities. At the same time, they are clearly not the same type of mind that humans are. They are something new. I think the widespread "they are just text generators" and "they are just tools…
> Lawyers and diplomats and politicians and bureaucrats are humans, that only generate text.
You think they have no lives outside their work? You think even their work has no interactions that are not written?