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Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Hmm, it is mildly fascinating that it has to be said. Germans in government typically don't celebrate the adherents to the events that Poles were subjected to. Ukrainian government on the other hand uses lets call it something of an ambiguous framing to make it charitable. Similarly, Russia was saving Poles from WW2 ( all while effectively enforcing its particular brand of crazy upon the land ). Now, Ukraine is absor…

> Similarly, Russia was saving Poles from WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...

I have to remember to stop trying to use euphemisms on the world wide web.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Dazzle isn't meant to hide. Dazzle is meant to confuse a human trying to estimate course and speed in order to send an unguided torpedo at it. You need to look at hit rates to judge effectiveness.

We don't have that data. All we have is conversation from former captains saying it didn't work. EDIT: Also, IIRC, the most successful captains in the field didn't actually use the AOB method of determining the target's course. They would instead cross in front of the ship at a distance. When the ship's masts lined up they knew the ship was pointed directly at their current position and could calculate from their cur…

But does that mean dazzle doesn't work at all, or does it mean a successful counter existed?

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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How is it a NATO-russia war of NATO is not taking a participation? You can call it NATO-Iran, or NATO-NKorea war as well. Ukraine-Nkorea war? At least there were direct contacts between their forces.

NATO is certainly participating: * It supplies most ammunition and arms and much of the equipment. * It funds most of the war effort, including arms & ammunition, salaries, covering some of the civilian budget etc. Total expenditure by "Western" countries in the period 2014-2026 is 380 Billion USD [1] and the vast majority of that is by NATO; some by other US allies. * Its members train Ukrainian forces. * It imposes…

  > NATO is certainly participating:
  > * It supplies most ammunition and arms and much of the equipment.
NATO is a coordination office. Its purpose is to provide the higher levels of command structure to coordinate multi-national forces when activated. It does not own ammunition, arms nor other equipment, nor does it decide where they go (except in wartime). Similarly, NATO has not imposed any sanctions against Russia, because it does not control anything.

Instead, the most important decision-making platform has been the so-called Ukraine Defense Contact Group, which consists of 57 countries, of which only 32 are members of NATO.

  > * A negotiations process in Istanbul, having reached a draft agreement which would have concluded the war, in early 2022, was vetoed by NATO, or at least the US and the UK.
Not true. At the time, most of Ukraine's supporters were pushing them toward any kind of deal with Russians at the expense of Ukraine's interests, until the discovery of Bucha massacre made that pressure untenable. The whole narrative that NATO, the US, or Boris Johnson personally forced Ukraine to continue fighting comes from selective quoting of David Arakhamia, a member of Ukraine's negotiating team.

  > And this is in the context of NATO's long-standing strategy of expanding eastwards towards Russia
There is no such strategy and no such "context" except in the Russian state propaganda. Central and Eastern European countries have had to fight tooth and nail to gain entry. One of the best examples of this were Poland's threats to sink Clinton's re-election campaign with Polish-American votes if he tried to block Poland's entry into NATO.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Remember the "Black Mirror" episode "Metalhead"? (If not, check it out, no spoilers here.) I'm afraid we'll see something like this in the not-too-distant future. Now, a squad of soldiers, or even just one experienced rifleman, would prob. dispatch of such a threat quickly. But against (at most poorly armed) civilians it would be an all too effective terror/area denial weapon.

Love that episode. The relentlessness of those drones is terrifying . I hope we civilians will have countermeasures against robots like those when the time comes... Another interesting piece of fiction: Horizon Zero Dawn. AI robots armed to the teeth, fueled by biomass, capable of reproduction via onboard factories. They had to reset the planet.

Very similarly, the movie "Screamers" (I liked it more than Dick's original novelette). Hopefully, no one will decide to really seed a continent/planet with autonomous "oh, we can control them just fine" killer bots.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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We don't have that data. All we have is conversation from former captains saying it didn't work. EDIT: Also, IIRC, the most successful captains in the field didn't actually use the AOB method of determining the target's course. They would instead cross in front of the ship at a distance. When the ship's masts lined up they knew the ship was pointed directly at their current position and could calculate from their cur…

But does that mean dazzle doesn't work at all, or does it mean a successful counter existed?

It's more like the British made a counter to a process in the German manual, but the Germans weren't using that process anyway.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Is there any evidence suggesting that Ukraine is targeting civilians? And what 'orchestrators' exactly do you think benefit from sending their soldiers through a meat grinder? Yes, Russia (not Ukraine) has done a lot of that, but you seem to think that getting their own soldiers killed was their goal..?

My evidence is waking up in the night from the sound of explosions in a city 150 km from the active front line, and then reading about a civilian building, or multiple buildings, hit in the morning. Sometimes even walking in person to see the aftermath. I don't have any hard evidence that drones that hit Russian civilian buildings are even launched from Ukraine. What is known for a fact, is that they often belong to…

I am an American and what you are saying is 100% correct. You're just about 10 levels above the knowledge/understanding of the highly propagandized geeks who post here. Quoted for truth:

> I don't consider Russians and Ukrainians as two sides of the conflict. The real sides are some third party in control of military forces and narratives of both sides vs the populace of both countries. This is a war of false flag operations that are always blamed by that 3rd party on either Russian or Ukrainian side. A war of psychological terror, resource and manpower exhaustion.

It's all staged, all coordinated internationally by a secret club (Luciferians) who control all "opposing sides", all world governments and religions. Everything happens according to a script, and everyone is controlled by the same script. The war is a big meat grinder designed to kill off as many worthy men and women as possible in a slow burn, just as trench warfare did in WW1.

All of this is leading to the next global war, in which they plan to crush the USA exactly as they did to Germany. I am the sort of person they plan to eliminate somewhere along the way, as are you. They won't be getting me; I hope they don't get you.

In your country are they trying to set the stage for a future fake "alien invasion", just like they have been doing here for a long time?

After the men and women of all powerful nations are destroyed and last vestiges of freedom are replaced by enslavement to a central world government and one world religion, that's when the perpetual "war against the aliens" begins, as their new form of population control.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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NATO is certainly participating: * It supplies most ammunition and arms and much of the equipment. * It funds most of the war effort, including arms & ammunition, salaries, covering some of the civilian budget etc. Total expenditure by "Western" countries in the period 2014-2026 is 380 Billion USD [1] and the vast majority of that is by NATO; some by other US allies. * Its members train Ukrainian forces. * It imposes…

You're not exactly wrong, but it's disingenuous to paint the expansion of a defensive alliance of independent nations in the same light as annexation of sovereign nations by military force. For accuracy, replace "NATO" with "countries united in condemnation of Russia's invasion". The iron curtain pushed west on tanks; it's being pushed back by choice. Russia inoculated citizens against its own propaganda by disappear…

> of a defensive alliance

NATO is an offensive alliance, and its activities in this century have demonstrated this. Unless you mean "defensive" as in the now-renamed US "Department of Defense".

> of independent nations

Also, many of its members are only partially independent, when it comes to global strategic matters. And that's not getting into whether EU member nations are in fact independent; I can introduce you to many greek people who would say otherwise... Many Brittons also consider their state to be somewhat subservient to the US on such matters.

> annexation of sovereign nations by military force.

Hey, that consideration didn't bother Ukraine in taking control of Crimea when the USSR broke up...

To be less facetious though: Ukraine's sovereignty after the 2014 coup, and certainly by 2022, was also imperfect. To the level of Biden as US VP exercising veto power over who serves as their attorney general.

But certainly, the annexation of the Zaporizhia and Kherson oblasts is such an annexation from a technically sovereign state. With Donetsk and Lugansk, Russia did not annex; those areas seceded from Ukraine, declared independence and fought a protracted war against the Ukrainian Army for some years. They also faced quite a bit of regular shelling targeting the civilian population, from their presumptive sovereign. Eventually, albeit under Russian influence, they asceded into the Russian Federation.

Be that as it may - like I said, NATO is involved to the extent that it should rightly be seen as a proxy war of NATO against Russia.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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You’re talking about dodging bullets or shrapnel here. Source on that a multi rotor has that level of manoeuvrability while also carrying a lethal payload and enough battery for a viable engagement range?

Pre-programmed evasion. Give the drone a flight path, it's expected to position itself randomly within a certain distance of that flight path. At longer ranges it's feasible to dodge a bullet that way (which is why soldiers do a highly evasive path against a sniper) and even at short ranges if you can beat the tracking system it doesn't matter if you can beat the bullet.

That’s not the problem. These machines only have so much thrust, and are only aerodynamic in one direction. Sudden high-speed lateral acceleration is very costly from an energy budget perspective. Randomly dodging around bleeds off speed and may actually reduce survivability by increasing the time taken to cross the danger zone. This is made worse by most of the time the drone needs to aim for a weak spot or critical system to do damage, so terminal guidance is already fairly constrained. You don’t see drone pilots trying to jink around because the best move is to punch the accelerator and try to minimise the time your opponent has to react.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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My evidence is waking up in the night from the sound of explosions in a city 150 km from the active front line, and then reading about a civilian building, or multiple buildings, hit in the morning. Sometimes even walking in person to see the aftermath. I don't have any hard evidence that drones that hit Russian civilian buildings are even launched from Ukraine. What is known for a fact, is that they often belong to…

I am an American and what you are saying is 100% correct. You're just about 10 levels above the knowledge/understanding of the highly propagandized geeks who post here. Quoted for truth: > I don't consider Russians and Ukrainians as two sides of the conflict. The real sides are some third party in control of military forces and narratives of both sides vs the populace of both countries. This is a war of false flag op…

> In your country are they trying to set the stage for a future fake "alien invasion", just like they have been doing here for a long time?

They have hard time with pushing even the current stages of the agenda.

The launch of the wildly, and I mean wildly unpopular CBDC, ahem, digital rouble was postponed multiple times, but this time "the real deal" is scheduled by the Russian Central Bank for this autumn.

The selling narrative about convenience, modernity and helping fight corruption has failed miserably, and now they will force it using the fuel crisis at hand - which has all the potential to become a food crisis if (when) the autumn harvest gets disrupted.

They have already been rolling out QR codes for buying gas on odd/even days of week, by the first digit of the registration plate, etc, and the "government" messenger, also wildly unpopular but shoved down the throat to all kinds of civil servants, is on standby to become the only distribution channel for said QRs.

God bless you, my friend.

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