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NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Is there a historical precedent as to what happened when the upstart denied capability to the empire? The closest I can think of is the bronze age collapse.

There is no consensus on what caused the bronze age collapse.

Thenn, it makes it more riveting when modern day phenonema happen, surely?

Unless you subscribe to a historical channel?

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: do you think the NSA aren't training their own LLMs? (With or without Anthropic and OpenAI's help) It's a perfect technology for their uses, they get a big chunk of a $100 billion black budget, and they've had access to the research for at least as long as we have.

You cannot really hide the amount of compute required to train an LLM. Do we have actual clues that NASA is training their own frontier model?

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the bette…

I haven’t heard anything about AGI in a long while. Oh yeah, and per conversations last Jan we were all supposed to be out of our jobs by now.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://blog.encrypt.me/2013/11/05/ssl-added-and-removed-her... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Yeah, they did (and probably do).

How are they going to MITM communications with certs that never left my machine? Are you suggesting they broke TLS or that they've somehow acquired every private cert generated?

> How are they going to MITM communications with certs that never left my machine?

The long game. They:

- make sure you wouldn't be in a position to need to transmit data anywhere that would receive it without CA's in their hypothetical pocket

- manage the evolution of the cloud industry to make sure portable VM's and Containers can have their data archived (both in-RAM, disk, hey just send us the running VM!)

- backdoor'd encryption algorithms from the design and implementation phase to ensure a global unlocking mechanism for any data encrypted by anybody who used a large class of extremely commonly available software

So, you run your own private bank in a cloud VM with tenant managed keys? They backdoor'd the encryption algorithm your cloud VM disk relies on, because they blackmailed one of the developers at the company who developed the hypervisor system used by your provider. Open source project? Perfect. (If you think this is nonsense, then remember the rapid discovery of ancient "bugs" causing all this drama to begin with.)

Your TLS privately generated certs that are 100% foolproof aren't actually used anywhere encrypting the data they want, because it's either worthless, or, available elsewhere perhaps at a different (or same) time.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process, or just ignoring their irrelevant input and knowing what to do. if you throw millions of tokens at IDA Pro MCP with the right prompt lets just say security by obscurity fails miserably because there is no obscurity when the LLM chews through the decompilation.

> mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process,

Yes, just like early cars allowed mediocre horse riders to get from A to B with dignity.

Or like my Japanese rice cooker allows a person like me, utterly shitty at preparing this, to eat some rice that is cooked to perfection.

Etc.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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'Mythos “broke into almost all of our classified systems, not in weeks, but in hours.”' Is Mythos a significant danger? The curl experience does not suggest that hysteria is warranted, but this gives me pause.

>> The curl experience does not suggest that hysteria is warranted, but this gives me pause. What about the Firefox experience? Or are we conveniently ignoring things that don't confirm conclusions we've already reached?

I'm not as familiar with that. I do agree that it sounded substantial.

I just think that a coreutils flaw is not as substantial as a rendering engine exploit.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who will make them the next set of weights? If a government can just seize the product of someone else's labour, either they will end up as slave owners or without willing workers.

Serious question: do you think the NSA aren't training their own LLMs? (With or without Anthropic and OpenAI's help) It's a perfect technology for their uses, they get a big chunk of a $100 billion black budget, and they've had access to the research for at least as long as we have.

Would they be able to hire top ML talent with US government salaries?

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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post #184

Is there a historical precedent as to what happened when the upstart denied capability to the empire? The closest I can think of is the bronze age collapse.

There is no consensus on what caused the bronze age collapse.

Sorry i forgot to ask. What are the top 5 theories, and do you see any modern parallels?

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Is there a historical precedent as to what happened when the upstart denied capability to the empire? The closest I can think of is the bronze age collapse.

> The closest I can think of is the bronze age collapse.

No idea about your question, but I'd love to hear more about this part.

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