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It did though? Trump pulled out of the deal in his first term and then Iran enriched from 3%.
JCPOA only had temporary enrichment limits, which would end in 2030, after which Iran could enrich freely. It did not permanently stop enrichment. If JCPOA was followed by both Iran and the US to the letter, we would face a similar crisis to the one seen today, except around 2031-2035.
I wonder how the stock markets will react tomorrow. I know someone who turned $6k into $150k by buying options on war related news. The logic is that the markets will almost certainly go up, so bet big at a time like this. It sounded like an easy way to lose $6k, but maybe the upside is worth the risk. I don’t have any experience to know whether this is a sufficiently good bet though.
The upside is worth the risk if you can stand to lose $6k without it hurting too much. If you can't, then it isn't.
Reading through the proposal Iran put out, it sounds like Trump's surrendered? 1- Permanent and immediate cessation of war on all fronts, including Lebanon - You know Israel won't let that happen 2- America's commitment not to interfere in Iran's internal affairs and to respect the sovereignty of the Islamic Republic of Iran. - No regime change 3- Complete removal of the naval blockade within 30 days - Iran gets its…
Honestly I think that's "Trump's win", and is probably all he cares about. Now he gets to funnel all these reconstruction contracts to his buddies, prioritizing anyone who gives him a "donation".
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Also... The US' limitations in its ability to project power have been exposed. Having American bases in the middle east has been shown to be nothing but a liability for host countries. And Iran has proven that it can withstand anything the US is willing to throw at it, and hit back hard, over a relatively prolonged period. And Iran has shown that its constitution is strong and power succession is effective even after…
> And Iran has proven that it can withstand anything the US is willing to throw at it, and hit back hard, over a relatively prolonged period. Absolutely not. But Trump made two huge mistakes: 1) not imposing the naval blockade from the very start, 2) stopping the military offensive after only roughly a month, when about 50% of the Iranian missile stockpile was still intact. We must resume combat operations, bomb Iran…
But hey, at least gasoline prices will go down before the midterms. That's what really matters to the American electorate, right?
(I wish I was joking.)
So basically the Obama agreement that Trump trashed. Only now people had to die to get to this point.
Obama's agreement didn't stop enrichment, leading to the current crisis.
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> Even assuming It did. > at the same time it enriched the nation It returned some of that nations own money. > allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles. Like Russia, Israel, the UsofA, North Korea, et al ? Balance of Power is a tricky game.
My point is that we should have taken "their" money and used it against them. This is how you deal with enemies.
And this fiasco proves that the US can't really do enough militarily if Iran just decides they don't want to abide by a deal/demand. Sure, this war was costly and painful for Iran, but they're coming out of it with better terms than they had before the war.
I don’t know how this is worse for the US or the World. Iran’s leadership and military was decapitated. It’s in the best interest of US, Europe and Israel and the Middle East. The nuclear program had a huge setback. What are the counter arguments to these facts if we really end up in peace with Iran along with the bad actors gone too?
While before, Iran's assets worldwide were frozen, they're now receiving back $25 billion of it. Also, the sanctions preventing them from selling their oil are lifted, so they now have oil revenue to expect.
Additionally, the US will pay $300 billion to "reconstruct" Iran.
Lastly, Iran has proved that it has de facto control of the Strait of Hormuz and the mightiest military in the world cannot prevent or stop it. Going forward, Iran will receives fees to allow transit of the strait.
How can you possibly think this isn't worse for the US and the world than the previous status quo?
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It did to weapons grade. It only permitted enrichment for energy purposes. And was validated by inspections. The current crisis is entirely because Trump trashed that agreement in the first place.
The crisis exists because Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. That's the root issue. JCPOA was never a permanent solution. Under JCPOA, Iran agreed to temporarily cap enrichment for 15 years until 2030. After which, Iran could enrich freely. JCPOA had no extension framework, the deal could not be extended without being renegotiated. And Iranian officials refused to agree to permanent enrichment caps, they said the 15-y…
The US's own intelligence agencies said they weren't, though.
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I never swapped claims. We're talking about nuclear weapons and why the US started a war with Iran this year due to this supposed "crisis" (in your words) but there's no evidence that a threat is imminent. The NIEs were just one data point against your claim; the burden is still on you to show who else agrees with the assesment that this is a crisis. > IAEA concluded in May 2025 that Iran ran an "undeclared structure…
Name the civilian use for Iran's 440 kg of 60% enriched uranium. There isn't one. No power reactor uses it (those run on 3-5%), no research reactor needs it (~20% max), and it sits 98-99% of the way enriched weapons-grade. Iran has enough fissile material for multiple bombs with under two weeks of further enrichment. There is no civilian use for this material. Iran enriched this material, under a mountain, in violati…
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It did though? Trump pulled out of the deal in his first term and then Iran enriched from 3%.
JCPOA only had temporary enrichment limits, which would end in 2030, after which Iran could enrich freely. It did not permanently stop enrichment. If JCPOA was followed by both Iran and the US to the letter, we would face a similar crisis to the one seen today, except around 2031-2035.
And those 13 years would have been plenty of time to extend or renegotiate that agreement.