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Re: Siri AI

#191

Post by data-ottawa »

troupo wrote: post #12
MattDamonSpace wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Went out of their way to show actual usage of these features on actual devices in actual people’s hands

In a pre-recorded video after who knows how many takes. 15 years ago they had the balls to run Siri live on stage: https://youtu.be/6rL9EL2LlrA?is=5yMQxs0C2VAC5Lwz

You could see jitter in the reflection on the MacBook as the guy typed, so that all looked great.

The responses came in very fast though, so I’m sceptical that the latency is representative (or that they didn’t cherry pick results, but they looked LLM generated). We shall see though.

Re: Siri AI

#192

Post by insane_dreamer »

So Siri is basically now a Gemini agent?

Our family uses Siri with a HomePod a lot, and it's already much better than it was a couple of years ago where it could basically set timers, tell you the weather. Now it answers questions ("when did the Knicks last win an NBA championship") with decent answers, instead of "I'll send the web results to your phone". But it's still far behind voice-chatting with Claude in the Claude app, so very much looking forward to this upgrade.

I will say though that proper voice transcription in Claude -- or any of these agents -- sucks. If it can't understand the question properly, then it can't provide the right answer. It works okay for me, but not for my kids, not when speaking quickly or in incomplete sentences (as people tend to do), etc.

Re: Siri AI

#193

Post by tzm »

If that Siri orb fails to respond after this release, I'm done with Apple.

Re: Siri AI

#194

Post by mimischi »

xp84 wrote: post #74
seaal wrote: post #13

>Fix passwords with a tap. >The Passwords app alerts you to weak or compromised passwords and can update them on your behalf without the hassle. Finally, I hope this works well. Personally one of the worst things to deal with.

I'll believe this when pigs fly. There's a 0% chance it will work. Most websites I've seen have one or all of: * Force you to use email or SMS as a "second factor" to unlock changing password even if you know the old password * A stupid idea of password complexity usually requiring one of a finite set of 5-8 "special characters" which is often only revealed after you've chosen a password that doesn't have them. Or in…

Some of your points are addressed by: https://github.com/apple/password-manager-resources

Re: Siri AI

#195

Post by davnicwil »

merlindru wrote: post #111
wxw wrote: post #109

I strongly believe Apple can win the consumer AI space. They have incredible distribution and hardware. They just haven’t executed at the application layer yet.

what's worrisome is that they continue to fail at it. it's one thing to say "we're still hashing things out". it's another to parade around Image Generation features that are obviously widely not-cared-for and oftentimes actively disliked Apple cares greatly about their brand yet this has hurt their brand like nothing else in the past decade

on the other hand failing at it or pushing it to the edges until they figure out where if anywhere it would actually make sense (which is I believe the entire crux of their strategy) might equally reasonably be helping their brand.

I don't see strong evidence the average consumer is demanding 'AI features' in everything. I mean even amongst the technically inclined this is often bemoaned, anecdotally.

Re: Siri AI

#196

Post by iknowstuff »

nozzlegear wrote: post #55
avarun wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1Password has been able to do this for five+ years. Frankly, it doesn't even really need agentic AI, although a talented team could probably make it perform better with agentic AI. I don't really believe in Apple being that quality team.

> I don't really believe in Apple being that quality team. Why?

its clear from their efforts thus far (image playground jesus fuck) that AI and even prompt engineering talent actively flocks away from them

Re: Siri AI

#197

Post by Danox »

aurareturn wrote: post #51
barumrho wrote: post #38

This looks pretty promising to me. It will likely replace the need to set up OpenClaw for average personal users. The work of getting email, messages, and all the personal data on the phone as context seamlessly is not as straightforward as one might think. I'm curious how the pricing will work. Would it be free up to some limit and then some subscription pricing? I can't imagine it can be free unlimited usage given…

This is why OpenAI thinks it needs to build its own physical devices. If Apple is only allowing its own AI to operate at the OS level, then that leaves OpenAI with no choice but to build their own. Meta also realized this and attempted multiple times to build their own hardware but they've given up each time. They started as early as a partnering with HTC in 2011 to make a Facebook phone. Quite frankly, I'm kind of e…

OpenAI is not a hardware company or an OS company and they hardly have the money to pay the real cost in the long-term, if Amazon, Meta, Google and the Linux crowd are having trouble, OpenAI is not gonna get the job done.

Re: Siri AI

#198

Post by troupo »

data-ottawa wrote: post #191
troupo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a pre-recorded video after who knows how many takes. 15 years ago they had the balls to run Siri live on stage: https://youtu.be/6rL9EL2LlrA?is=5yMQxs0C2VAC5Lwz

You could see jitter in the reflection on the MacBook as the guy typed, so that all looked great. The responses came in very fast though, so I’m sceptical that the latency is representative (or that they didn’t cherry pick results, but they looked LLM generated). We shall see though.

Even for live shows they'd cherry pick specific scenarios that were known to work, and those would sometimes fail. IN a heavily produced pre-arranged pre-determined marketing video? It was as polished and made as smooth as possible.

Re: Siri AI

#199

Post by pastel8739 »

himata4113 wrote: post #154

I read through the entire DMA rant that apple has here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de... This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI. Apple already: 1) requires developers to submit ID to publish an app on the appstore (at least I had to after ~1000 downloads to be able to publish an update) 2) has strong kernel enfo…

> Given the serious risks to users, Apple designed a solution called Trusted System Agent — an intermediary that would allow virtual assistants to safely access the same features and capabilities as Siri AI for devices in the EU. Apple also shared a plan to launch Siri AI in the EU while gradually rolling out this new solution over an 18-month period. The European Commission said no. In fact, the European Commission did not agree to any of Apple’s proposals.

I'm extrapolating (there is less detail in that press release than I expected from your comment), but this sounds to be like it would be the thing that enables such a "list of permissions". I would be curious to know exactly what this agent entailed and why the EU did not approve it.

Re: Siri AI

#200

Post by [deleted] »

xp84 wrote: post #74
seaal wrote: post #13

>Fix passwords with a tap. >The Passwords app alerts you to weak or compromised passwords and can update them on your behalf without the hassle. Finally, I hope this works well. Personally one of the worst things to deal with.

I'll believe this when pigs fly. There's a 0% chance it will work. Most websites I've seen have one or all of: * Force you to use email or SMS as a "second factor" to unlock changing password even if you know the old password * A stupid idea of password complexity usually requiring one of a finite set of 5-8 "special characters" which is often only revealed after you've chosen a password that doesn't have them. Or in…

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