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Post by tommy_axle »

olingern wrote: post #98

These acquisition announcements always leave me uneasy. There’s a lot of hand waving, “nothing will change and our roadmap will stay the same!” but we can all do basic math and understand that’s not how business works. As an aside, I have to use Cloudlare at work and it’s a pretty awful experience for the medium sized org I’m at. “Hostile UX” is a common complaint. Maybe they should invest money in competing with Ver…

Vite is great and vite 8 was a huge speed-up so definitely a nice win for them. Remaining independent is always great but at the same time there are other "new homes" that could be worse so let's keep our fingers crossed and hope it works out.

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Post by pier25 »

owebmaster wrote: post #85
pjmlp wrote: post #65

So now each major SPA framework belongs to a cloud provider, Vercel, Cloudflare and Google.

Ironically, Lit that was created by Google isn't maintained by it anymore. The project is, unfortunately, almost dead tho

yeah SSR is still marked as experimental after like 3-4 years

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Post by pier25 »

nobleach wrote: post #115
demetris wrote: post #52

I love Vite, when I don’t forget it exists in my projects. It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. This news does not make me happy. Same with the news about Astro earlier this year. I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy.

I've loved Vite from the moment it was public. I also tried Snowpack back in the day. (fun story that Fred "fks" went on to create Astro after Snowpack didn't gain traction). The fact that we can "just forget it exists" is a major win in my case. Webpack - while maybe a win over Grunt/Gulp, was MASSIVELY complex. I too am a bit uneasy. It's not always the case but, corporate ingestion is often where cool projects go…

> Webpack - while maybe a win over Grunt/Gulp, was MASSIVELY complex.

and slow

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by benoau »

sofixa wrote: post #159
thethimble wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's perhaps all about who one knows and making sure that everyone gets to tell a story of successful exits. No. It's all about building a great product that people love. Vite is a foundational tool in the JS ecosystem. Acquihiring the tool/team is entirely downstream from creating a foundational product.

> No. It's all about building a great product that people love. Vite is a foundational tool in the JS ecosystem. A foundational tool in an open ecosystem doesn't mean a monetisable product. I struggle to think of even a single example of a foundational tool with a business model. And of course, not everything needs a business model. But if you're getting VC funding, you kind of need one.

This is the kind of problem I think only UBI solves because there is no apparent business model that can sustain ~20 employees working on software like this, they need to make at least a couple million a year to pay those people!

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

ipaddr wrote: post #189
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO Cloudflare ensures decentralization of the Internet: It provides an alternative to AWS, Azure, and GCE which gives your little personal selfhosting box or small VPS the same level of protection the big providers have. And generally, anything you have either hosted on or proxied by Cloudflare, can be pretty trivially moved to another provider. Whereas things built on top of AWS, Azure, and GCE services tend to be…

Cloudflare ensures decentralization How by taking out 25% of the internet when they go down?

Have you ever seen a us-east-1 outage? Or when Exchange Online fails... weekly or so? There's a lot of huge clouds that are load-bearing for the Internet. Cloudflare is the one you can at least circumvent easily.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by jerrygenser »

true_religion wrote: post #187

Just for the record, NPM -> Microsoft Vite -> Cloudflare Bun -> Anthropic Turbopack -> Vercel Remix -> Shopify (I barely remember this one) Biome (formerly Rome) -> Indie but largely supported by Depot SWC -> Indie esBuild -> Indie I use RsBuild/RsPack which is ByteDance supported.

Python but also add

Uv -> OpenAI

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by maherbeg »

zarzavat wrote: post #121
maherbeg wrote: post #111

Very happy for them, they made excellent tools and I hope they can continue their work! I do believe though that these tools (formatting, linting etc.) should be built into the language like Go, and I really hope the Node team can just absorb the best ideas and make solid primitives that can be built on top of as the ecosystem evolves (think golang's http interfaces, or test interfaces)

It took the JS community many iterations to get to vite. Building it into the language just means you get stuck with a "good enough" solution that survives by inertia. We'd still be using webpack. I'm all for building things into the language when there's only one way to do it though.

for sure! but there are lots of incremental shareable primitives that could help. I think about go's built in testing tools that can get extended as an example

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Post by sophacles »

seanclayton wrote: post #133
thethimble wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's perhaps all about who one knows and making sure that everyone gets to tell a story of successful exits. No. It's all about building a great product that people love. Vite is a foundational tool in the JS ecosystem. Acquihiring the tool/team is entirely downstream from creating a foundational product.

Vite isn't a product. It's a tool. It will be succeeded if necessary. It happened to Webpack after Microsoft hired the creator, and the JS community pivoted hard. Bundlers and compilers in the JS world happen once a decade it appears.

I was at the hardware store this morning. I bought a hammer. It sure seemed like a product... with the whole "being displayed on store shelves" and "available for purchase" thing.

There were several different hammers there, bearing different branding and having different manufacturers.

I don't quite get the distinction...

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Post by sophacles »

bflesch wrote: post #172
debarshri wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Acquisition happen for 3 reasons. 1. Product 2. Talent 3. Business/growth In the AI era, some of acquisition happening in the space is for talent and product. In this case, it looks like it was that. Vite is a great product they were able to build a great team. You would be surprised how much of a premium companies can pay for talent.

Your listing is not exhaustive - startups can also be acquired for politics, for marketing purposes, whatever. There is a lot of meat space things going on in the upper echelons of the US tech industry. Recent history shows that an idealized view only focusing on fiduciary duty does not capture the whole picture of business in the USA.

Rarely does one acquire dollars for the sake of having dollars. Dollars are power tokens, and the acquisition of them beyond a certain point is almost always accompanied by a motive.
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