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Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by Induane »

reaperducer wrote: post #31
neuralkoi wrote: post #21

GIMP gets the work done. I've never had an issue I couldn't address with its tools, but it's clear the UI was crafted by coders. I'm glad for this approach.

I completely agree. Every few years I give GIMP a shot, and every time I give up because it's completely inscrutable. Adobe is evil, and Pixelmator lacks features, but at least you can figure out how to use them in short order.

I actually find the opposite. I don't actually think either of us are wrong, it probably comes down to what we got started with. I love that in Gimp layers can have totally different canvas sizes, and I prefer it's foreground select tool.

But most of all, any comparison is going to be silly. Photoshop has lots of amazing features and in sure is better in a technical comparison to Gimp in many ways.

A lot of times the best tool for the job is the one that works great for you.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by charcircuit »

olavgg wrote: post #102
reaperducer wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree. Every few years I give GIMP a shot, and every time I give up because it's completely inscrutable. Adobe is evil, and Pixelmator lacks features, but at least you can figure out how to use them in short order.

Every time I give Photoshop a chance I give completely up, the thing doesn't even start on neither Fedora or Ubuntu and I have no interest in configuring Wine for this. GIMP is the least painful way to get the job done. I have been using it for over 20 years, and it has been a pain-free experience. That GIMP is bad is just as wrong as the people who say Java is bad. But you know what's even worse, people that use Ill…

Try on Windows 11 or macOS.

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/desktop/get-started/techni...

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by cmyk_student »

elevation wrote: post #105
jdlyga wrote: post #84

GIMP should take a lesson from Blender. Blender used to be the most clunky, unintuitive pieces of open source software. But after a decade and a half of UI development, it's one of the smoothest interfaces you'll ever use.

Another lesson GIMP could take from Blender is the importance of a python REPL that updates with the analog commands to the menu items you're clicking. GIMP allows scripting from some kind of lisp, but in many hours of attempt I've never gotten it to do what I know it can do. But I was effective in blender within seconds because it allowed me to directly translate my actions to code.

GIMP has a Python console, and several built-in plug-ins are written in Python: https://docs.gimp.org/3.2/en/gimp-filters-python-fu.html

We want to make macros simpler (some of the work I helped out with for GIMP 3.0 was to lay the groundwork for automated/recordable operations), but as with all the things on our roadmap it takes time and developers.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by cmyk_student »

mattkevan wrote: post #96

Photoshop's interface is getting worse [1] and everyone hates Adobe, so there's a great opportunity for a tool like GIMP to step up and become the default alternative. It's got a lot of features, it's been around for a long time and has reasonable name recognition (for better or worse). However, unless they do a Blender and make a sustained effort to improve the UI, understand what people want and how it fits into pr…

Far from it - we even have a dedicated design site where we ask for UX-specific bug reports and improvement requests from users: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/GIMP/Design/gimp-ux/-/work_it...

We then discuss and test with the reporter and volunteer designers, and try to implement once some consensus has been reached. We welcome feedback from more users, so feel free to contribute your thoughts and design/workflow issues!

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by cmyk_student »

drzaiusx11 wrote: post #37

How do we get this into mainline GIMP? As a GIMP user since it existed, I can say that the default interface "works" but the ux isn't great. This looks like a marked improvement and would give me something more like Inkscapes UI but for raster images instead of vector...

Possibly as part of our in-progress extension platform. The extension infrastructure is already built (e.g. you could package the theme as .gex file and have GIMP recognize it), and we have a GSoC student working on some aspects of it (at the moment, the submission workflow for an online repo of extensions). Once it's ready, we could reach out to the developers of PhotoGIMP and see if they'd be willing to have it included as part of the initial extensions repo - then you could pull it into GIMP directly.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by cmyk_student »

Mashimo wrote: post #22
lukasbm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure 95% of photoshop users only use a feature subset thats also available in GIMP (except for maybe the latest generative infill)

I don't know the current status, but at least last time I checked you could not have strokes/outline on text, and afterwards change the text :( It's such a little thing that makes gimp annoying to use. And it affects a broad audience. Wedding cards or youtube title thumbnails. Maybe it works now. I hope. Non destructive layer resize works now, right?

Non-destructive text outline has been around for a while now: https://www.gimp.org/news/2022/11/18/gimp-2-99-14-released/#...

Non-destructive resize works on vector layers and link layers (essentially "smart objects" in GIMP). We have the capability to do this for regular layers too - just need to connect some things and change some internal assumptions about transform filters.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by cmyk_student »

F3nd0 wrote: post #158
chiffre01 wrote: post #41

I've never understood GIMP's approach to copy paste either. They've made a decision that copy and paste must require as many un-intuitive steps as possible. Most graphics programs let you select a region, copy it and then move the copy around to where you want it, the end. You can usually paste into new layer if needed. But not in GIMP for some reason you have to copy something and 'anchor it' or convert it to a new…

> But not in GIMP for some reason you have to copy something and 'anchor it' or convert it to a new layer before you ever see it. I select something, copy it, paste it, and I can see and move it right away. Is that not working for you? I’m on GIMP 3.2.2.

Copy & Paste default behavior was changed in GIMP 3.0 (I was one of the people who worked on the change). GIMP 2.10 and earlier creating floating selections as described earlier.

I've gotten equal parts praise and complaints for working on that - some people think it makes GIMP much more intuitive, while others find it interfers with their workflow of quickly copying, editing, and merging back down pieces of a layer.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by cmyk_student »

elevation wrote: post #103
jdlyga wrote: post #84

GIMP should take a lesson from Blender. Blender used to be the most clunky, unintuitive pieces of open source software. But after a decade and a half of UI development, it's one of the smoothest interfaces you'll ever use.

> GIMP should take a lesson from Blender. Blender used to be the most clunky, unintuitive pieces of open source software. But after a decade and a half of UI development, it's one of the smoothest interfaces you'll ever use Agreed. I'm already willing to use GIMP in its current state. But though I've used it since I was a child, I have to re-google for things I know it can do. I had a photo of a barn. I was going to…

For what it's worth, there is a built-in arrow brush in GIMP 3.2 (we updated the MyPaint brushes engine and got it for free as a result).

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by NetMageSCW »

Matl wrote: post #106

While all the comments about GIMP needing a total UX overhaul etc. are likely valid, it's worth noting that there's something like 2 people working on the bulk of GIMP at the moment. It's not a startup that has just raised a series A and opened a flashy San Francisco office. All that is to say that I don't think the problem is the GIMP devs not knowing what the problems are and needing them explained over and over ag…

After the attitude displayed by those developers towards e.g. opening jpegs and saving GIMP format files, I don’t think I’m interested in contributing and have replaced using GIMP with Paint.Net and Corel.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by NetMageSCW »

notwhereyouare wrote: post #8
DeathArrow wrote: post #3

People use Photoshop for sheer capability, not for the layout, naming conventions and shortcuts.

But if you don't have the money for a photoshop license, learned photoshop, and don't want to pirate, this is a good middle ground. Photopea is also a good solution

Photoshop is available for $20 a month on the annual Photography plan.
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