This is why you owe nothing to your employer, record revenue with management bonus, and layoffs for those that helped get there. Those extra hours? Only if the team really needs them. Naturally this tends to be something only seniors see, thus ageism.
>Those extra hours? Only if the team really needs them. ? I started a new job a year ago. Overtime pay in contract. I gladly work and report overtime as I get paid way more :) BUT there has to be a real reason, such as deadline, alarm/alert and such. You people are just lost. But I am in Sweden with a union job hehehe
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#192My extremely cynical, but not yet proven wrong view: Tech, more or less, has a group of investors centered around Silicon Valley. Not the only ones, but especially now, the most active. Generally, these folk have a lot of exposure to AI, and probably mostly believe the hype around it. Which means they believe companies using AI should produce better results, which in the current market means short-term cash. So if a…
> to the fragile dinosaur that Github has become. GitLab has just as many outages, just nobody notices/cares so much
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Those extra hours? Only if the team really needs them. ? I started a new job a year ago. Overtime pay in contract. I gladly work and report overtime as I get paid way more :) BUT there has to be a real reason, such as deadline, alarm/alert and such. You people are just lost. But I am in Sweden with a union job hehehe
Yeah, but compare the salaries to the US and then factor in taxes.
Personally the salary isn't worth it.
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#195My extremely cynical, but not yet proven wrong view: Tech, more or less, has a group of investors centered around Silicon Valley. Not the only ones, but especially now, the most active. Generally, these folk have a lot of exposure to AI, and probably mostly believe the hype around it. Which means they believe companies using AI should produce better results, which in the current market means short-term cash. So if a…
> GitLab is in an incredible position to moonshot the next generation of software. I don't think they offer anything unique. Forgejo[1] offers a similar platform. [1] https://forgejo.org/
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#196My extremely cynical, but not yet proven wrong view: Tech, more or less, has a group of investors centered around Silicon Valley. Not the only ones, but especially now, the most active. Generally, these folk have a lot of exposure to AI, and probably mostly believe the hype around it. Which means they believe companies using AI should produce better results, which in the current market means short-term cash. So if a…
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#197> We will provide support in finding new opportunities, whether internal or external, through Cisco’s placement services – a program that has seen 75 percent of participants discover their next role. 25% unemployment doesn't seem like something to brag about.
Also, 75% placement seems wildly successful. Why isn’t Cisco also a head hunting firm?!
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe America should export US labour and safety standards. Outsourcers don’t just compete on price, they compete on hours worked, and support given. You do it in outsourcing contracts to a degree, just go further - holidays available, work hours, firing procedures, support and health services. I do know that FDA inspectors travel to factories around the world to ensure they are compliant. You’d remove the incentive…
That's essentially colonialism. You can't go into other countries and change their labour laws, it's a violation of their sovereignty. Obviously there's a huge problem with uneven development across the world that makes outsourcing possible and difficult for workers in the developed world, but I'm not sure such a solution would be politically feasible.
Firstly, This is how things are being done now - post colonialism. America has many laws and drives to avoid labour from sweatshops. This was a whole thing, it may not have been the most effective, but it was a political force that drove change.
Foxconn factories having workers commit suicide and place safety nets around buildings was a huge issue for Apple, and it resulted in changes to working conditions.
And as I mentioned before, the FDA inspects factories around the world to ensure that something sold within America that has the FDA approved label actually meets standards.
The idea is feasible I just don’t know how effective it will be. Political will can be found in America, and this affects only foreign outsourcing while supporting American workers. You don’t need political will in other nations.
On top of that, it moves competition away from a race to the bottom, which reinforces worker rights. If worker rights in India and America are at parity, then the attractiveness to move to America changes as well. America will remain attractive because of standard of living.
It’s an issue for outsourcing, and firms that buy outsourced services, but not that much of an issue.
One issue is that worker rights in America are kind of a low bar.
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#199This type of thing should come along with a reduction of allowed H-1bs.
Cisco especially is absolutely full of H1Bs. As someone that has worked for them a decade ago, some of their division are >90% Indian. Those are all good engineers and not dunking on them at all but it should be unacceptable to bring over competing workers on a visa while also laying off so many people.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe America should export US labour and safety standards. Outsourcers don’t just compete on price, they compete on hours worked, and support given. You do it in outsourcing contracts to a degree, just go further - holidays available, work hours, firing procedures, support and health services. I do know that FDA inspectors travel to factories around the world to ensure they are compliant. You’d remove the incentive…
Please don't export US labour and safety standards. The amount of paid time off is hard to argue is not unethical, the conflation of vacation time and sick time clearly is unethical, the amount of parental leave (especially maternity) is a crime against humanity. The firing procedures are also something you'd expect to read about in a history book besides a picture of a child visibly yearning for the coal mines, cont…
Factory Safety standards I would make an argument for, you should see some of the things I see in developed nations.
> Please please America spend serious efforts developing your labour standards to a humane level instead of exporting them.
This is possibly the critical weakness in the idea. Maybe EU labour standards?