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Re: Cisco workforce reductions

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Post by pixelatedindex »

anal_reactor wrote: post #141
hirako2000 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diversity is the term to disguise cheaper labor. Call it women, ethnic minorities, trans, neuro divergent, on wheelchair, or those having criminal records. It's a brilliant slogan, not just because virtue signalling, but because it spawns cross cultural factions, all selfishly united to defend it. At no further brainwashing cost to you. You dare to attack it? You are out. Pack your stuff, and your shame. Consolation?…

This is so obvious now that you point it out I'm embarrassed not to have noticed it. By the way, I was wondering if learning Hindi would be the winning strategy here. Be the only white guy speaking Hindi, instant hire.

lol that depends. If they are mostly from South India, learning Hindi might not move the needle as much. Might want to pick up some Kannada, Telugu and/or Tamil. Would be pretty cool for trying, and it’ll probably make your outlook favorable

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

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Post by hirako2000 »

anal_reactor wrote: post #141
hirako2000 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diversity is the term to disguise cheaper labor. Call it women, ethnic minorities, trans, neuro divergent, on wheelchair, or those having criminal records. It's a brilliant slogan, not just because virtue signalling, but because it spawns cross cultural factions, all selfishly united to defend it. At no further brainwashing cost to you. You dare to attack it? You are out. Pack your stuff, and your shame. Consolation?…

This is so obvious now that you point it out I'm embarrassed not to have noticed it. By the way, I was wondering if learning Hindi would be the winning strategy here. Be the only white guy speaking Hindi, instant hire.

Don't be embarrassed. Most don't see it, because the moral framing blocks economic analysis.

As for learning Hindi, it may help. But don't make the mistake of confusing cultural diversity with competence uniqueness. One expands the number or silos in the labor pool. The other justifies better pay.

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

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Post by hirako2000 »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #151
anal_reactor wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so obvious now that you point it out I'm embarrassed not to have noticed it. By the way, I was wondering if learning Hindi would be the winning strategy here. Be the only white guy speaking Hindi, instant hire.

lol that depends. If they are mostly from South India, learning Hindi might not move the needle as much. Might want to pick up some Kannada, Telugu and/or Tamil. Would be pretty cool for trying, and it’ll probably make your outlook favorable

The irony is ethnic Indians in the U.S barely speak any of those.

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

#154

Post by intended »

hirako2000 wrote: post #109
spike021 wrote: post #82

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we were acquired and part of our org moved into cisco HQ. the entire floor were Indian other than our org, and over time our org was filled out with incoming transfers and new hires. i'll never forget some irony in that one of the engineering leaders brought us together for a mini townhall once and praised our "diversity" but by then the percentage of people in the room were basically the same as you described, inclu…

Diversity is the term to disguise cheaper labor. Call it women, ethnic minorities, trans, neuro divergent, on wheelchair, or those having criminal records. It's a brilliant slogan, not just because virtue signalling, but because it spawns cross cultural factions, all selfishly united to defend it. At no further brainwashing cost to you. You dare to attack it? You are out. Pack your stuff, and your shame. Consolation?…

Maybe America should export US labour and safety standards.

Outsourcers don’t just compete on price, they compete on hours worked, and support given.

You do it in outsourcing contracts to a degree, just go further - holidays available, work hours, firing procedures, support and health services.

I do know that FDA inspectors travel to factories around the world to ensure they are compliant.

You’d remove the incentive to undercharge based on sweat shop practices, and then it’s only a cost of living arbitrage.

At that point you could set up in a lower CoL region in America over outsourcing.

I’m probably missing some incentives but I think this would work, and it’s an easy political sell.

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

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Post by Conscat »

anal_reactor wrote: post #141
hirako2000 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diversity is the term to disguise cheaper labor. Call it women, ethnic minorities, trans, neuro divergent, on wheelchair, or those having criminal records. It's a brilliant slogan, not just because virtue signalling, but because it spawns cross cultural factions, all selfishly united to defend it. At no further brainwashing cost to you. You dare to attack it? You are out. Pack your stuff, and your shame. Consolation?…

This is so obvious now that you point it out I'm embarrassed not to have noticed it. By the way, I was wondering if learning Hindi would be the winning strategy here. Be the only white guy speaking Hindi, instant hire.

Studying Hindi has felt very rewarding to me, and it impresses people disproportionately to my actual skill, but I don't feel it has affected my ability to communicate with coworkers whatsoever.

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

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Post by Conscat »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #151
anal_reactor wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so obvious now that you point it out I'm embarrassed not to have noticed it. By the way, I was wondering if learning Hindi would be the winning strategy here. Be the only white guy speaking Hindi, instant hire.

lol that depends. If they are mostly from South India, learning Hindi might not move the needle as much. Might want to pick up some Kannada, Telugu and/or Tamil. Would be pretty cool for trying, and it’ll probably make your outlook favorable

In the bay area, I've met relatively few NRIs who don't know Hindi well, even if it's not their first language. Most of them that I've met are not even Kannadiga, Mallu, Telugu, or especially not Tamil. Sample size of at least several dozen.

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

declan_roberts wrote: post #38

This type of thing should come along with a reduction of allowed H-1bs.

This. Once Indians get in, they hire other Indians only. It is a disgrace. They are here in Sweden too studying for masters, terrible. They should be barred from EU honestly... sadly we just did a trade agreement...

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

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Post by renticulous »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #148
renticulous wrote: post #91

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> that got them there under the bus. Do you employ construction workers for lifetime after they have built your house?

Ive seen this exact analogy on HN quite a few times now, and its a bit odd (read: nonsensical). You dont tend to employ construction workers directly to build your house. You contract a housing company, who contracts construction companies (or has inhouse workers), who do keep their employees employed.

The individual is his own construction company in this scenario. Just like the construction company has to advertise itself to keep getting contracts, here the individual has to do the same with employers. The analogy is not superficial.

Re: Cisco workforce reductions

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

truncate wrote: post #129
shell0x wrote: post #92

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Or maybe you just aren't that good of an engineer (or whatever profession you are into) and find the easiest group to blame on your failures. I found that people who often are quick to judge and group of people in one bucket based on their color/ethnicity/gender/... are often not that bright people and like to focus on directing it on others. Somewhat like MAGA.

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