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Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by bcjdjsndon »

shakna wrote: post #98
parasubvert wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hardware yes. Bambu's software, not quite. If you want to flash it with 3rd party firmware & use 3rd party slicers, have at it. If you want to use Bambu's software against their TOS, OK you wouldn't be alone in that, but there's no moral high ground in it.

Sure there is. When purchased, it was able to do something. Due to an update, the customer has now been misled, because a feature was removed. In most countries, that would violate consumer rights. There's an ethics argument here.

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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by autoexec »

tankenmate wrote: post #141
parasubvert wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I look forward to them sternly changing Bambu Labs' practices!

They will just fine them into oblivion; they are known to fine companies AUD10M to AUD50M for this sort of thing, and from 1st April this year they can now fine up to AUD100M. Will this mean that Bambu will withdraw from the Australian market? Possibly maybe probably, but the ACCC takes a very hard stance against bait and switch.

It's a whole lot better than the US, but AUD100M isn't enough to scare a lot of companies. A law with real teeth would go after an increasing percentage of their revenue for each offense.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by anakaine »

oliwarner wrote: post #37
bri3d wrote: post #7

This looks to be a clone of the prior state of the repository that caused all the Bambu drama earlier this week. I did a ton of research because I didn't understand what people wanted here, and this is what's going on: Right now, Bambu have adjusted their system into two modalities: * "default" or "Cloud" mode, where you get an app, remote monitoring, but you have to use Bambu Studio or Bambu Connect to send prints.…

> This isn't actually possible This is only true due to a firmware they pushed last year. It's an artificial limit. There's no reason at all a local client couldn't just talk to a local printer without any cloud. Every problem BambuLabs have here is self-inflicted. They could allow simultaneous cloud and local queue management with or without authentication.

I dont understand what the issue is. Theres not really any benefit in having cloud enabled if local is working fine. I have my bambu printer set to local only, and dont miss the cloud offer one bit.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by jwr »

bri3d wrote: post #7

This looks to be a clone of the prior state of the repository that caused all the Bambu drama earlier this week. I did a ton of research because I didn't understand what people wanted here, and this is what's going on: Right now, Bambu have adjusted their system into two modalities: * "default" or "Cloud" mode, where you get an app, remote monitoring, but you have to use Bambu Studio or Bambu Connect to send prints.…

Ok, so as a heavy user of Bambu printers:

> I didn't understand what people wanted here

Great: very few people care enough to actually try to understand! This is very much appreciated.

> What users want is to "have their cake and eat it too;" they want the local token authentication _and_ the cloud authentication enabled at the same time

No.

What I want is to use any slicer software (specifically OrcaSlicer, which is really good) with Bambu printers without losing functionality.

What most people who do not use 3d printing regularly do not understand is that there is more to 3d printing than just throwing a sliced file over the wall. For example, before I slice, I sync information from the printer so that the list of filaments I have in the slicer reflects what is actually in the printer. This sounds silly to people who imagine a printer with a single spool of filament loaded, but when you have multiple printers, each one with an AMS unit housing 4 spools, this becomes essential.

Please also remember that many people have printers in remote locations (workshop). "LAN mode" is a non-starter unless you set up a VPN.

I also want to monitor my prints using my phone, which is what Bambu Lab sold me: it is part of the functionality of the printer. I do not want to lose that functionality.

In other words, "LAN/Developer Mode" is NOT EQUIVALENT to "Cloud" mode (which used to work well with OrcaSlicer until Bambu killed it).

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by anakaine »

tankenmate wrote: post #141
parasubvert wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I look forward to them sternly changing Bambu Labs' practices!

They will just fine them into oblivion; they are known to fine companies AUD10M to AUD50M for this sort of thing, and from 1st April this year they can now fine up to AUD100M. Will this mean that Bambu will withdraw from the Australian market? Possibly maybe probably, but the ACCC takes a very hard stance against bait and switch.

The largest ACCC fine to date for a company undertaking anti consumer practices is $483m against an educational provider for misleading students.

I'd be reasonably happy to lodge a complaint if I could find a version that's reasonably articulated. As a Bambu customer in Australia I switched my printer to local mode and its been great.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by Orygin »

locknitpicker wrote: post #151
happyopossum wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But in this case the users want to use those features locally and are being blocked No, we aren’t being blocked. Turn on LAN mode, pair regular Orca slicer, ignore Bambu for the rest of eternity. Plenty of people have done it.

> No, we aren’t being blocked. Turn on LAN mode, pair regular Orca slicer, ignore Bambu for the rest of eternity. Plenty of people have done it. You're just saying that Bambu users feel the need to purposely circumvent Bambu's artificial restrictions to be able to continue to use Bambu hardware they bought and paid for. No matter how you frame this, this ain't right.

> purposely circumvent Bambu's artificial restrictions

It's a toggle you set in the printer directly, nothing is circumvented. Only the access through their cloud service is impacted, but the printer works locally like any other.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by Orygin »

shevy-java wrote: post #135

It was a mistake by BambuLab to piss off and alienate the community. They poked the bear; stung the bee; squashed the frog. This is literally the Barbara Streisand effect in the modern era. Now people are watching. Reputation went out the window already: "If they can sue one of us, they can sue all of us". (Well, threaten to sue at the least, aka applying financial pressure on that developer.)

Good joke if you think more than 1% of their customer base will care about that.

Bambu is not (never has been?) targeting 3D printing hobbyist but everyday people; and for them cost/reliability is more important than running your custom slicer. Until there is a serious competitor that has a polished and cheap printer, Bambu can alienate all of the open source community and still be fine.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by Orygin »

johnsea wrote: post #165
nik282000 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are an adversarial player in the market, actively trying to lock users into an ecosystem that is incompatible with other printers. Like Adobe's 'creative' software and Onshape, they are working as hard as possible to make YOU pay more to have less.

As long as Onshape let THEIR servers work for MY public projects for free I don't see how your "make YOU pay more" statement applies.

Same thing for the Bambu cloud. Like the feature? Use it under their terms. Don't? Use LAN mode and whatever slicer you want

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by ga_to »

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #128
shakna wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ACCC is more than happy to explain unenforceable terms, if you'd like to do business with Australia. Feel free to consult Steam, Google, Meta and others, if a software license is enough to ignore consumer rights.

Australia is a small enough market to not matter much

Australian customer protection laws were the initial reason why Valve introduced refunds into Steam.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by behaviors »

mft_ wrote: post #188
arghwhat wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being able to push prints and use the printer with direct local connection, while simultaneously having remote monitoring and remote printing when cloud/internet works and is available. This is not the case of "wanting to have their cake and eat it too", as there is nothing mutually exclusive about these things. It requires no "emulation" or hacks - having a local API open to query state and push print jobs to the qu…

Thanks for confirming. > Being able to push prints and use the printer with direct local connection, while simultaneously having remote monitoring and remote printing when cloud/internet works and is available. So isn't an obvious approach to just cut Bambu out altogether and just create a FOSS cloud alternative, supporting the remote aspects that the users want to retain? > This is not the case of "wanting to have t…

I used the spaghetti-detective plugin/add-on for OctoPi when I got my printer, they also hit bandwidth of video streaming over web(part of the "monitoring" area) they seemingly have been absorbed into "obico"(the github remains github.com/TheSpaghettiDetective) Every 3DPrinter software has options to replace these Bambu Cloud features, the process involves a fair bit of deep dive understanding, flashing firmwares, troubleshooting bugs, and then you could in theory use the same machines with all the Bambu Cloud features, in a local environment.

My only gripe with the community approach is, why not replace them rather than attempt to use ANY servers they have? Jeff cleverly highlighted that all the slicers originate from Slic3r, there is always a point before Bambu.

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