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MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Can anyone familiar with the technology help disillusion naive people like me as to why on earth palantir needs to exist? It feels like a big pile of nothing. But tbf that's how I feel about Salesforce and Jira too. Big fat database schemas with big fat CRUD atop and layers of snazzy sparklines to make PMs and clients feel nurtured and fuzzy that they've done something material.

Sometime back, someone described in a way that was interesting to read. So, I bookmarked it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44896367 Reproducing it verbatim; “Palantir is a tech platform that consumes data from their clients in return for providing high level data-driven insights. They assign FDEs (or consultants) to really learn the details of a customers data. Foundry allows them to get single pane view of the…

This is a somewhat misleading description.

The first half is true. They bring in their FDEs to clean and organize your data.

But the difference in what they leave behind is what separates them from classic consultancies and pure tech companies.

They don't leave behind "insights." They leave behind a suite of operational (ie have write capabilities not just dashboards) applications that are "custom" built to actually solve those insights. I put custom in quotes because while the applications are usually bespoke to your company, they are built in Palantir's app-building product Workshop, which significantly lowers the cost of building these custom apps.

https://www.palantir.com/docs/foundry/workshop/overview

So in the end, your company's processes are improved because your employees are using the apps that the FDE's built.

This is distinct from traditional consultancies because those will only leave behind the insights. Also distinct from most SaaS because those have a one-size-fits all approach, so you wind up having to change your company to fit the design of the application, where as Palantir builds its applications to fit your company.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

#192

Can someone explain why Palantir are seen as such a threat? My understanding is their product is a PowerBI++ and they don't host any user data themselves. Are people scared of backdoors?

The United States is no longer a reliable ally. That is the reality that the world is having to adapt to. Even when Trump is gone, it will take a long time to rebuild that trust.

You shouldn’t assume trust will naturally just regrow. This may be it, we may have passed peak USA.

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#193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they will be looking for alternatives. Who do "they" as in Europe go to? China also views the EU as a junior partner [0], is running an ongoing disinfo campaign against the industrial exports of an EU member state [1], and has doubled down on it's support for Russia [2] in Ukraine in return for Russia backing China's claim on Taiwan [3]. And the EU is uninterested in building domestic capacity for most critical tec…

> And the EU cannot work with China as long as China backs Russia and undermines European industrial exports. I mean, that is not that huge a difference compared to the USA (lifting sanctions against Russia, no tariffs there either, but plenty tariffs for "allies"; threatening NATO members in several ways; taking over Russia's "peace" plans for Ukraine 1:1 and putting the pressure solely on Ukraine; (I could go on fo…

> that is not that huge a difference compared to the USA

It is for the EU.

The EU dislikes the current deprioritization of the Ukraine Conflict by the US, but also recognizes that the PRC is directly providing material support and subsidizing Russia's military industrial complex [0]. That is the red line for much of the EU.

Similarly, for the PRC it's continued support of Russia in their war in Ukraine is also a non-negotiatable [1], and the CCP's foreign mouthpieces continue to reiterate that "the mainstay of EU foreign policy — supporting Ukraine in a conflict to defeat Russia — has turned into a quagmire of sunk costs with little hope of success" [2].

> I am not sure Americans really understand how much trust is already gone

We know. And we don't care.

As long as the EU views Ukraine's territorial integrity as non-negotiable and a large portion of EU states view Russia as the primary national security threat, the US will remain the less bad option than the PRC or Russia.

Both the US and China are aligned in that we view the EU as a junior party that can be pressured [3].

If the EU views Russia as a threat, it will have to accept American vassalage becuase the PRC will continue to back Russia [1].

If the EU views America as a threat, it will have to accept Chinese vassalage, give up Ukraine, and accept Russia as the primary European military power.

Based on the carveouts within the Industrial Acceleration Act, the EU has chosen American vassalage.

[0] - https://ecfr.eu/article/funding-war-courting-crisis-why-chin...

[1] - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/ch...

[2] - https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202603/16/WS69b7f2e2a310d...

[3] - https://www.economist.com/china/2025/11/17/europe-sees-china...

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

#194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Uh… have you heard Thiel talk? If that’s not evil, I don’t know what is.

I honestly haven't heard him talk much, so would appreciate specific quotes for my analysis/interpretation.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

#195

Obviously, just look at what the Palantir stones did to Saruman and Denethor. They're a corrupting force, both in the middle-earth case and in the our-earth case. Thiel has made no secret of his intent to use technology to dispense with that pesky democracy problem that billionaires have, and Palantir is pretty obviously his attempt to do just that. It's a reductio-ad-absurdum argument against listening to your citiz…

I still don't understand why Theil and Karp decided to name their surveillance tech company after a device that is best known for being used by an evil dark lord to decieve and corrupt. It's like the Mitchell and Webb skit "are we the baddies" except they're the ones who designed the uniforms with skulls on them.

Well, it's not inherently any more evil than Fanta, is it?

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

#196
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Can someone explain why Palantir are seen as such a threat? My understanding is their product is a PowerBI++ and they don't host any user data themselves. Are people scared of backdoors?

Two Reasons: 1) It holds deeply sensitive data and does so in the US. In times of increased mistrust of the US, many (including myself) see that as a risky choice. 2) Speaking of mistrust in America and American corporations, have you heard their execs talk? It's absolute cuckoo-town: > If they are not scared, they don’t wake up scared, they don’t go to bed scared, they don’t fear that the wrath of America will come…

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Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

#197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States is no longer a reliable ally. That is the reality that the world is having to adapt to. Even when Trump is gone, it will take a long time to rebuild that trust.

You shouldn’t assume trust will naturally just regrow. This may be it, we may have passed peak USA.

Hence the Carney strategy up here in Canada. We can realize in hindsight that we were far too dependent on a single ally. We're diversifying - and even if America wants to become reliable again we've learned and will (hopefully) never be so dependent again.

In the post WW2 era most western countries grew lazy about sovereignty due to America's open-handed approach - this has been a wake up call and has severely lowered America's soft-power globally.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

#198
Palantir is dragging a small independent Swiss investigative newspaper to court because they reported[1] about Palantir getting the door slammed in their face in by several Swiss government agencies including the military over the last years. No one wants this turd of a company.

[1] https://www.republik.ch/2026/02/18/how-tenaciously-palantir-...

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh… have you heard Thiel talk? If that’s not evil, I don’t know what is.

I honestly haven't heard him talk much, so would appreciate specific quotes for my analysis/interpretation.

https://www.ft.com/content/a46cb128-1f74-4621-ab0b-242a76583...

He has a paper thin understanding of classics, which he then uses a device to sprinkles everywhere to make him appear more clever.

https://fortune.com/2026/02/04/peter-thiel-antichrist-greta-...

I can't find the speech anymore, but his basic thrust is that Tunberg and anyone who thinks that unleashing raw AI on the internet is an antichrist.

They are the antichrist because they are holding back progress.

Despite the US scientific budget being ripped apart by Trump.

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