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Long Range E-Bike (2021)

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Re: Long Range E-Bike (2021)

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Post by nozzlegear »

presentation wrote: post #182
oceanplexian wrote: post #162

Reading the comments here, let’s take a moment to mourn another technology that so called HN hackers want to see regulated en masse by their big daddy government. Like drones, 3D printing, and now the simple pleasure of building your own e-bike. It seems like a certain demographic of NIMBY/Karen has taken over and is hell bent against makers and anything remotely cool, DIY, that could even be slightly more dangerous…

Like it or not, if people who aren't big brained HN genius hackers like yourself do reckless things with powerful technology, like a stupid teenager killing someone's baby by running them over with an e-bike at max speed on a sidewalk around a sharp corner, then broader society will hate that technology, and then that woke freedom you crave will get wiped out by those small brained normies. The point is that it is be…

> like a stupid teenager killing someone's baby by running them over with an e-bike at max speed on a sidewalk around a sharp corner,

Replace e-bike with bike or tricycle and you still have a smushed baby.

Re: Long Range E-Bike (2021)

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Post by SoftTalker »

Aurornis wrote: post #17
WarmWash wrote: post #14

Sort of a hijack, but it rides on the awesomeness that e-bikes can bring about. They truly are incredible if you have never gotten to ride one. E-bikes with throttles should not be refereed to as e-bikes E-peds, e-motos, electric motorycle, whatever. Just don't call them ebikes. The problem is people (especially kids) getting what are essentially electric motorcycles, thinking they are ebikes, and then causing all so…

I agree. I thought the electric motorcycle problem was overstated by people complaining online at first. Then they became popular around my house and I agree it’s a huge problem. I’m fortunate enough to live around a lot of walking and mixed use trails for bikes and pedestrians. Recently they’re unsafe to use in the evenings because you have to be ready to jump out of the way of groups of kids (plus a few adults who…

Cyclists on track bikes going 30+ mph on mixed use trails are almost as bad.

You either ride responsibly or you're a selfish asshole. The vehicle doesn't matter as much.

Re: Long Range E-Bike (2021)

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Post by orbital-decay »

jadenPete wrote: post #169
jacquesm wrote: post #129

So, this got posted again I see. A few years later: the pack is still going strong and has not - so far - shown any signs of wear. I've put close to 15000 Km on it now and there is no degradation worth mentioning, though I suspect that if I do a precise capacity measurement that it would definitely show some reduced capacity. The really neat thing is that at the end of a long ride the cell groups still track to withi…

I'm curious, how much does this weigh? I've ridden e-bikes a few times, and it's always surprising how much heavier they are than ordinary bikes. I can't imagine how heavy this must be.

190 cells is 9-9.5kg, a mid-drive motor like the one in the picture is typically 3-7kg depending on power. This is roughly 12-17kg/26-37lbs of extra weight plus the enclosure, electronics, and wiring.

Re: Long Range E-Bike (2021)

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Post by nozzlegear »

theultdev wrote: post #166
loeg wrote: post #138

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Are you sure? https://www.r-m.de/en-us/bikes/load5-75/

How many of those have you seen in the US? None, because noone wants to bike 5 miles for 3 bags of groceries.

IMO you don't see them in the US because they look, frankly, dorky to an American aesthetic.

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Post by adrianN »

socalgal2 wrote: post #158
wintermutestwin wrote: post #68

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As an oldster who used to do weekly century rides and lost that ability due to nerve damage in my foot (thanks to decades of wearing pointy Italian riding shoes), I’d love it if we could focus on simply enforcing laws that exist rather than saddling arbitrary blanket regulations on lawful citizens. I built an ebike and hell yes I put a throttle on it because it enables me to ride more technical trails. This bike has…

I'm sypathetic but ... unlike cars, bikes don't have large each to read license plates. People will scream about facial recognition. I'm not trying to take away your freedom. I've just wished they'd enforce traffic laws on cyclists but it's just not going to happen and cyclists know it so they almost all break traffic laws with impunity.

License plates do not seem to prevent dangerous and illegal behavior in cars, why should they help for bikes?

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Post by sbuttgereit »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #174
socalgal2 wrote: post #158

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I'm sypathetic but ... unlike cars, bikes don't have large each to read license plates. People will scream about facial recognition. I'm not trying to take away your freedom. I've just wished they'd enforce traffic laws on cyclists but it's just not going to happen and cyclists know it so they almost all break traffic laws with impunity.

You know what happens when a cyclist is involved in a traffic accident they cause? They might get hurt or cause some minor property damage. When the driver of a car is at fault they kill other people, so I'm not too worried about even negligent bike riders causing an accident.

As a pedestrian I find your analysis a bit myopic... but on par for far too many cyclists.

Re: Long Range E-Bike (2021)

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Post by adrianN »

theultdev wrote: post #165
davidw wrote: post #151

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You don't think a family of four buys 'food' ? I also get beer occasionally, although sometimes I get it from the corner store a few blocks away. I do get kitty litter with the car on the occasional trip to Costco because I'm not set on using the bike for every last thing. Just that the eBike makes a lot of things a lot more convenient.

The "food" was a catch-all. Pretty sure that was clear. Beer and cat litter alone are the heavy items, and don't fit stable in a bike, especially in bad weather. Plus 2 weeks of groceries, depending on what you need can really add up. On a bike? Fah-get-a-bout-it. Guess I'd be biking my ass to the store every day. Or I could live in the present and drive an actual car. Clearly GP buys 1 day worth of food if he can bi…

I can get three or four days of food for my family of four on my regular bike with no problem (I also have a cat). I live somewhere where I ride past half a dozen super markets on my regular commute, so stopping at the shop is no big inconvenience.

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Post by adrianN »

tim333 wrote: post #10
adrianN wrote: post #5

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It’s only safer than a motorcycle if you have bike friendly infrastructure.

The fact they are kind of slow and you can take them on trains helps compared with motorcycles.

Being in a train certainly improves safety, but being kind of slow is not very safe when you're forced to share the road with cars going at least twice your speed.

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Post by spaqin »

Aurornis wrote: post #28
estebank wrote: post #25

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I believe this to be growing pains. Legislation hasn't yet fully adapted, some of the legislation I've seen makes the mistake of conflaing these, and enforcement is nonexistent in most places. I suspect that as time passes, we'll find ways of allowing ebikes to flourish. Around me the biggest thing I've seen is parents on cargo bikes taking their kids, and that's a demographic that elected officials tend to listen to…

We have the laws. What they’re doing is illegal. I think they need a higher tier of penalties for the repeat offenders, but that would require anyone getting caught first. It’s an enforcement problem. The riders know they’re riding where police cars can’t get them. They also know that the bike cops aren’t allowed to ride ultra powerful electric motorcycles. They also know they can just drive off across some grass int…

Why are they illegal in the first place? Obviously people see value in such devices. They don't ride them for the sake of riding them without getting caught.

They have great utility, with their power, weight and size. They can be fast for sure, but it's also not on the same level as even a 300cc motorbike either - should they really be put into the same basket? How can that be enveloped by law - if it really has to be - without taking their utility away?

If the law is too restrictive, current users won't bother following, since the enforcement is so rare.

Re: Long Range E-Bike (2021)

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Post by PrairieFire »

theultdev wrote: post #134
davidw wrote: post #29

eBikes are such a game changer. I do most of our family of four's grocery shopping with ours. Because of the assist, I find myself more comfortable in a wider range of weather conditions: * If it's hot, I use more assist and there's an instant cooling effect. Much better than climbing into a hot car. * If it's cold, I dress up to be warm outside and if I start to warm up on the ride, I use more assist. I don't have t…

I think we have different grocery habits. Food, beer, and cat litter would be too heavy for a bike.

I live about 3 miles out of town, fortunately directly on a rail trail. I ride my e-bike in to town to get groceries weekly. I have saddlebags on the bike and I pull a kids trailer with the seat folded down and have never run out of room, or had issues with weight. Sometimes I'll even get a few bags of water softener salt. I have a fat tire ebike (aventon), it's pretty sturdy. I've got about 2k miles on the bike, I'd guess half those are from grocery runs.
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