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Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Or, adjust your priorities and resist more. Authoritarians win when people let them.

Plus in Nov or 2026, get out and vote, no matter how hard it is to get to the polls. This happened because people sat on their behinds and did nothing in Nov 2024,

Won't matter. Donny put the epstein files out, redacted, to remind every single influential person in the blast radius that unless he keeps holding the redaction pen, all their lives will be over.

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Ah, you must not be American. At least over here--the subject of the news post--that belief would be considered pro-dictatorship nonsense. The US Federal government has different branches, and only certain branches have certain powers. This is widely known because we teach this to US children before they are 14 years old, sometimes aided by literal cartoons. These "warrants" are not at all equivalent, the same way th…

Wait until you find out judges are appointed by the president... It is actually amazing America managed to function as well as it has been to be honest.

The president only nominates them. The Senate confirms. Until the obama administration, judges required a supermajority of the senate to confirm, but a gop minority were filibustering all his nominees. So he asked the senate to remove the filibuster for judges. It was really the only use of the filibuster that made sense. Most democracies have independent commissions. Perhaps they all do now...

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Or, adjust your priorities and resist more. Authoritarians win when people let them.

Plus in Nov or 2026, get out and vote, no matter how hard it is to get to the polls. This happened because people sat on their behinds and did nothing in Nov 2024,

And, try to talk to people who don't agree with you. Have an open mind, listen, avoid being judgmental and critical. It's not easy, but you can change minds.

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No, real GDP (inflation adjusted) grew considerably in Germany and the U.K. over that time, and was stable in Italy: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1RMz0 . All three countries spend a slightly greater share of an overall larger economy on social welfare than they did in 2000.

Well how much have the countries aged? In that case you should expect it to go up, maybe it's still a lot less than it should be. I'm a statistician. That (first) graph is a case study in how to lie with statistics. They should teach it in class. I'm out, I recommend you spend some time reading about this issue. Inequality and welfare cuts leading to the rise in the far right is fairly well established. One (misleadi…

I’m citing a fact that’s plain in the data. Germany, the UK, and Italy spend slightly more of a larger economy on social welfare than they did in 2000. If you have a contrary case based on different data, then make it. We’re intelligent people here, we don’t need to resort to appeals to authority, especially in a subject like political sentiment that isn’t amenable to expert analysis. This stuff isn’t rocket science.

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Plus in Nov or 2026, get out and vote, no matter how hard it is to get to the polls. This happened because people sat on their behinds and did nothing in Nov 2024,

Nah. People who sit on social media would rather stand on street corners and yell at people.

Attending public (peaceful) protest is valuable. It shows that people with that view point (whatever it is) are not alone. It encourages more people to get involved.

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How long before they come for Hacker News ? Folks, it is now time to delete anything you posted here that might be construed as remotely critical of ICE or Trump. A court order will not help you if ICE have already shot you dead.

Or, adjust your priorities and resist more. Authoritarians win when people let them.

Indeed. We're not too far from "I am Spartacus."

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Extraordinarily troubling. This recent case was especially dystopian.

https://newrepublic.com/post/206088/homeland-security-67-yea...

The letter written by Jon was about as benign and constructive as possible. There was not even the possibility of pretense in this case, but nonetheless his gmail got subpoenaed. The privacy community seems extraordinarily bad at dealing with nuance, so I want to lay this out specifically. This is a new threshold which has been crossed. No matter what angry commenters online will tell you, it was never previously so easy to to subpoena this sort of information.

If you have not already started cleaning up your online presence and thinking critically about your online OPSEC, the hour is getting very late.

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I'm old enough to remember that time the Obama administration requested Edward Snowdens private SSL keys from Lavabit, because it would have opened up every email from every single user. So the owner nuked everything and was held in contempt of court. He was forbidden from talking about it for months too. Don't give too much unprecedented power to the government. It doesn't matter who the president is. They've all do…

Old enough is right. People forget the HN thread on the last day of Obama’s presidency and the bill he signed to expand the drone program.

We should have given him another peace prize after that.

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> Because it distracts from the point I'm making No it doesn't. If you're saying Obama did then explaining how the things Trump is doing are related is helpful. In this case, I don't see how them going after Snowden for stealing classified info (to be clear I support what he did) is the same as DHS going after meanies on Reddit for speaking out against ICE. One is using the intelligence apparatus for a plausible nati…

Did I ever said it was helpful or are you just putting words in my mouth? When I was 18 I emptied my bank account to fly my cousins to the US from Venezuela. I was making scraps per hour at the time mind you. But by all means put words in my mouth. All this goes back before Obama, but my point was that literally the president in charge is irrelevant, they should not have this type of power to bypass the other branche…

> Did I ever said it was helpful or are you just putting words in my mouth?

No, I think you're misreading. I said it would be helpful instead of distracting.

> Nobody remembers Bush doing anything specific the way we all here remember Lavabit

Yes, that's what I'm saying: you're extremely biased and it shows. In one stroke, you simultaneously say that unchecked intelligence apparatus is too powerful (true) and that Obama, specifically, did a bad thing that the goverment (hand wavey deflection) is merely taking advantage of now with no criticism of the current admin. It comes across like you're just a partisan hack who wants to dunk on Obama. There's no substance here. At least this time you mentioned Bush who started all of this, but still no mention of he who shall not be named.

> When I was 18 I emptied my bank account to fly my cousins to the US from Venezuela

What does that have to do with anything we're talking about now?

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This is the point where most of the public would probably acknowledge that digital privacy is worth seeking. If you're in a fascist or communist state, announcing your political opinions online without anonymity is generally not advisable.

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>How about when Amazon engineers colluded with the federal government to shutdown Parler? It would be like Trump working with hosting servers for Blue sky and getting it shutdown.

Private companies can't choose their customers anymore? Interesting.

>Twitter and Facebook were caught colluding with the Biden administration to censor Americans. There weren't 10 posts a day on HN about it, and it was pretty quickly ignored and forgotten.

The laptop? They didn't. FBI warned facebook etc about possible russian fake stories and they decided to suppress it own their own until it was fact checked. Biden did ask Twitter to take down nudes of his son as it was against twitters revenge porn rules.

You are deluded if you think this is anywhere close to what trump is doing.

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