I scrolled for about a century and there was not a single image with a full view of the car?
Luce: First Electric Ferrari
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had the same thought, but the article starts with "first look at the interior". So maybe the exterior does not exist yet?
It's exists. Car and Driver and other sites have photos. Obviously it's weird to not showcase the exterior of a Ferrari, that being pretty much the entire point of Ferrari. The cynic in me can't help but think this may be due to the fact that it looks like a lowered Hyundai with a body kit[1]. [1] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70279106/ferrari-luce-ev-...
Oh, wow. Yeah nobody is going to convince me that that is a Ferrari.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only if there are very few of them. If there's a critical mass of EV refuseniks in the future they will be banned.
>EV refuseniks What about the EV unafordaniks?
New EV prices are still falling for entry-level models. This is not the Ferrari, of course.
In a few years new EVs prices will be below equivalent ICE vehicles. Total cost of ownership already often is.
Second-hand EVs already are a bargain. EV owners complain about poor resale prices, but that's good for the buyer.
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#194I thought I was going to look at a car when I clicked that link. I scrolled the last 80% of the way out of morbid curiosity. This secondary quest was not disappointing: no car photos. So weird. Perhaps this is a complaint about the title. But since it's all about the interface, I must say, the idea of a sports car with a touch screen is still rather terrifying.
They say elsewhere that it’s part of a series of reveals. The ev powertrain last October, this, and the exterior in May.
Note that the exact date in May has not yet been announced, but there is a hint: in all the videos and screenshots of displays the date and time is shown as "Mon 25 10:10".
Now when Ive was still at Apple, the first screenshots of iPhone showed a time of 9:42 because that was the time they expected when the device was first shown. And that time was placed in all the official PR images well in advance.
Extracting from that, a Monday the 25th could be the time we'll first see the full car. Going through all 25ths of each month this year, May is indeed the only month where it falls on a Monday, so it's probably the 25th of May.
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#195I scrolled for about a century and there was not a single image with a full view of the car?
That is released in May
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#196Does this car also come with an exterior?
I didn't see any.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Side note: I wonder if, in 20 years, petrol cars will the preserve of the very rich and the very poor. Sure, except the very poor will be eco criminals (due to being unable to maintain their equipment to relevent emission standards/pay the associated offset fees) and will be selectively hounded and exploited by law enforcement.
At least in some jurisdictions, cars old enough (eg 30 years) are considered antiques and are exempted from emissions requirements.
And in some jurisdictions, there are "incentives to scrap older, more polluting cars in exchange for a grant or discount towards a newer, cleaner vehicle"
e.g.
https://carowl.co.uk/wisdombase/selling/car-scrappage-scheme...
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#198I thought I was going to look at a car when I clicked that link. I scrolled the last 80% of the way out of morbid curiosity. This secondary quest was not disappointing: no car photos. So weird. Perhaps this is a complaint about the title. But since it's all about the interface, I must say, the idea of a sports car with a touch screen is still rather terrifying.
It's a 4-door, 4-seater. Sporty?
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#199In case anyone was wondering what the Apple Car would have looked like inside, it would have been roughly this. As an Apple Car™ it makes sense, but as a Ferrari it's incredibly soulless and oversimplified. This Ive design aesthetic (Dieter Rams' aesthetic really) is fine on consumer electronics where you want the device to disappear and give way to the display, but on something as emotional as a vehicle (Ferrari esp…
EVs have a weight issue that fundamentally constrains their overall design. It is really a tough engineering problem to try to shave weight off of everything, because you are starting out with a 700kg battery replacing a 400kg engine + transmission, so you are ~300kg in the hole, and need to remove 300 kg from the rest of the car. That's why they do crazy stuff like use the battery as part of the structural frame, to…
From what I've heard from auto engineers I know, using the battery as part of the structure is not really done. Transfering mechanical stresses to the battery is something you just do not do.
Additionally the battery must be protected in the event of the crash, so its casing must survive intact.
I mean, it's possible that some manufacturers might do it a little bit to put it on the marketing brochure, but the additional design headaches and safety concerns mean that there's just not that much to gain.
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#200I'm surprised no one talks about their overrated "engineering" section showing the chassis as if it's some piece of work from heaven, but in reality their welding quality is absolutely pathetic and even a 12 year old could do a better job than this: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd....
That link is from 3-years ago and not related to this new EV.
So, we just discard someone's workmanship history and dump $x,00,000 just because of the brand value? 3 years ago but still relevant for a company who charges $500k for such poor workmanship. This is acceptable from a normal manufacturer like Hyundai (which ironically has much, much better welding standards), not from a luxury car company.